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Diversity schemes for young people - mixed race child.

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Florencesndzebedee · 20/08/2025 15:33

I have a dc who is currently an undergraduate. I am mixed race, my dh is white. Dc is fair skinned but, through my heritage, also has black heritage (my dad is from the Caribbean).

The landscape is tough at the moment getting work placements/internships but some of these schemes are open to dc of black heritage only. My dc is reluctant to apply as he said he’d feel like a fraud, purely on looks - he looks like he might be Spanish or Greek but has blue eyes. The criteria are quite vague other than under represented people )within the organisation) of black/african /Caribbean heritage. I feel like he is entitled to apply and these schemes would give him more options.

Does anyone have any experience of these particular schemes or how they select?

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SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:22

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SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:18

MapWall · 20/08/2025 23:13

You really need to stop telling people what equality is and racism is as you do not seem to understand.

There are some very unintelligent and uneducated comments from some people on this thread. I shouldn’t be surprised really.

And there is a certain kind of person who says, ‘I don’t care if people are pink, purple, green etc’ (previous poster). They always show their true colours when they make those comments!

1.) I never said that (or anything close)

2.) what I did say is In a nutshell: black people are bitches. Black people are also the most gorgeous loving person I've ever met

You know what they equates to: black people.... are.... People.

You want me to bend over to say the bitchy narcissist colleague had issues of her black past In some way to make you feel better ?

No. I won't

Because that right there is racism. You're holding someone to a different set of standards (be they beneficial or controversial) simply because they're black.

That's racism.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:17

An example, health care, employment prospects, a black male teenager is much more likely to be followed by security in a store, in comparison to a white teenager,
a bunch of white teenagers are referred to as a group, black teenagers are referred to as a gang.
White professional footballers aren't subjected to disgusting chants.

MapWall · 20/08/2025 23:13

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:20

Adding to my point : (there's several colleagues I work with that are black, for example) most blend into the background and I couldn't tell you much about them.

One person is the most positive, smiley, happy person I've ever met. (And she's gorgeous 😍) Got the whole package. I love her (inconsequential piece of info: she's black ) but because I've know her since she took me under her wing at 18 (I'm now old) her "blackness" isn't a factor In anything I think about her.

Another colleague is bitchy, gossipy, underhand, plays nice to your face and is the total opposite behind your back, she's a vindictive cow to be honest. (She's black) Funnily enough I've also known her since I was 18 (she hasn't changed ) and I'm also still old.

Ya know what. That right there : that's equality

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You really need to stop telling people what equality is and racism is as you do not seem to understand.

There are some very unintelligent and uneducated comments from some people on this thread. I shouldn’t be surprised really.

And there is a certain kind of person who says, ‘I don’t care if people are pink, purple, green etc’ (previous poster). They always show their true colours when they make those comments!

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:13

Digdongdoo · 20/08/2025 22:23

That's not an example of equality. Again as with the other thread, words have actual meanings.
That's just a closet racist (you) noticing that black people have personality outside of being black.

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Excuse me. Are you actually accusing me of being a closet racist? Go on. Let me hear you say it.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:12

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:07

You white? (Bet you are)

Forget your work colleagues, think outside of your social circle.

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:11

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:11

Give me a solid example?

Also. Answer me this : are you white? (I'll bet you are )

Brainstorm23 · 20/08/2025 23:11

I think it's hard. My daughter is mixed British/Indian heritage but completely "white passing" (it's an ugly way to say this but I can't think of a better way to say it). She's never done telling me she's "half Indian" and her Indian identity is important to her.

When she eventually comes to apply for internships, jobs etc. she would qualify for similar schemes (if the exist by then).

I'm not sure what I'd tell her to do. On the one hand life is hard and if there is a way to get ahead then she should use all the opportunities available to her. On the other hand she is very far from being "under privileged" so it feels like we'd be taking a place from someone more deserving.

Tough one!

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:11

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:07

I disagree.
It very much exists, especially today, in this raging racist society.

Give me a solid example?

Shessweetbutapsycho · 20/08/2025 23:10

DiscoBob · 20/08/2025 15:59

Well he is of mixed race so does have black heritage. They don't literally judge the legitimacy of your ethic status by how dark your skin is.

So of course he should apply.

It’s more of a moral dilemma than a technical one. It would be a case of whether the OP/her son are comfortable knowing he has potentially accepted the place of a young person who may be disadvantaged due to the colour of their skin, when he has the privilege of being light skinned and not encountering racism bias. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:08

OneAquaGoose · 20/08/2025 22:20

With all due respect, you’ve said that you work in a multicultural organisation. Surely you understand that that is not the case for every industry? I am simply sharing the reality that not everyone is in that situation. You can’t just poo-poo someone else’s experience because it’s not the same as yours. Sadly there are people in the UK who do not see people who are not white as “normal”. And that attitude is prevalent more so in some industries than others. My DH’s is a classic example of this, although thankfully it is slowly improving.

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Non white=not normal. Tell me your industry?

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:07

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/08/2025 22:27

There’s a tonne of research that shows racism is alive and well in current recruitment and employment practices, it’s not something that can be consigned to the history books just yet, sadly. Schemes like this are intended to counter the impact of systemic racism.

You white? (Bet you are)

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:07

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:48

White privilege does not exist. its a theory. (I'm guessing you're white)

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I disagree.
It very much exists, especially today, in this raging racist society.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 20/08/2025 23:03

It’s bias. It exists. What else could happen to level the playing field?

To the op I think if your son qualifies he should apply. But I do understand your son’s pov.

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:02

I remember (with almost tears I my eyes) that woman supporting me and being there for me when I was 18 and green behind the gills, saying "oh darling, we've all been new. Come follow me " and I did. And she was the kindest soul. She's never changed. (Although haven't seen her in 5,years ) The other witch would hang you just for existing. She was in senior management and was sickly sweet to your face but would try to try you sacked behind your back.

Should I accept them as 'sharon' and 'yvonne' (with her fucking issues) or should I class them all under one big "black" umbrella in the name of apparent equality (I'm sure they'd be thrilled)

Smurphy99 · 20/08/2025 22:58

Could you actually imagine a company publicly saying they will only hire white people? Imagine the uproar from non-white people? How is this actually allowed? You say white privileged exists, it may do, I don’t know, but I doubt any company has actually ever publicly said “we will only hire white people”. Why is this acceptable?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 20/08/2025 22:55

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wtf!

What gives you the confidence to believe this couldn’t have happened?

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:54

OneAquaGoose · 20/08/2025 22:24

That’s how fair people see things. Take people on their actions and character not their appearance. If only everyone was like that.

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Indeed. Apparently I'm "the problem" I suppose my absolute bitch of a colleague deserves a free pass because she's black. Where as my delightful colleague who I hold in the highest esteem who I no longer work with (I miss her 😢. She was one of these people that nobody ever could dislike) can be considered in the same bracket because they're both black.

The only positive is I have realised how much I miss said colleague (the last one) I don't miss the other bitch ! And I should reach out to her. She was one of life's "Pollyanna's" everything was a positive. Lovely way to live life.

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:49

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/08/2025 22:30

Yep, you’re equally obnoxious to everyone.

Would you like to detail exactly how im obnoxious ? I'm all ears

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:48

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 22:35

The same poster who denied that white privilege exists on a previous thread. ⏫️
The patriarchy chicken thread.

White privilege does not exist. its a theory. (I'm guessing you're white)

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:47

Digdongdoo · 20/08/2025 22:23

That's not an example of equality. Again as with the other thread, words have actual meanings.
That's just a closet racist (you) noticing that black people have personality outside of being black.

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That's your (misguided ) opinion

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 22:35

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 16:42

What barriers have they faced? And if they have, you are advocating that this is the right way forward. Surely two wrongs don't make a right and it discriminate against young people who had nothing to do with any of that. Surely today we should be pushing the fact that skin pigmentation plays NO part in job hiring.

The same poster who denied that white privilege exists on a previous thread. ⏫️
The patriarchy chicken thread.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 20/08/2025 22:31

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 17:19

You can't create a level playing field by creating an unfair un-level playing field. I agree it should be equal. By the very nature of this scheme makes it unfair for white people and any other people who may be suitable for the position.

A level playing field is attained by making the job vacancy OPEN and then choosing the BEST most capable candidate, regardless of their colour or heritage. To assume that people hiring will be racist is nonsensical. It's in their own best interest to hire the the most competent person for the position.

But that is not what happens.
there is bias during selection and interview.

People tend to have a preference for those that are similar to them. Eg similar class / accent. Check out amol rajan’s the truth about class as an example.

When I look at my place of work the percentage of ethnic minority staff decreases to 1 the higher up the management scale you go. This is out of a staff of approx 500. So why is that happening? Is it inherent bias or are black and brown people just not capable of being promoted?

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/08/2025 22:30

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 22:20

Adding to my point : (there's several colleagues I work with that are black, for example) most blend into the background and I couldn't tell you much about them.

One person is the most positive, smiley, happy person I've ever met. (And she's gorgeous 😍) Got the whole package. I love her (inconsequential piece of info: she's black ) but because I've know her since she took me under her wing at 18 (I'm now old) her "blackness" isn't a factor In anything I think about her.

Another colleague is bitchy, gossipy, underhand, plays nice to your face and is the total opposite behind your back, she's a vindictive cow to be honest. (She's black) Funnily enough I've also known her since I was 18 (she hasn't changed ) and I'm also still old.

Ya know what. That right there : that's equality

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Yep, you’re equally obnoxious to everyone.

ibe · 20/08/2025 22:29

I think he is eligible to apply and definitely should. He may not have experienced any racism yet but being in the workforce is very different. There will be much for him to learn from the other participants and his identity. X