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Diversity schemes for young people - mixed race child.

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Florencesndzebedee · 20/08/2025 15:33

I have a dc who is currently an undergraduate. I am mixed race, my dh is white. Dc is fair skinned but, through my heritage, also has black heritage (my dad is from the Caribbean).

The landscape is tough at the moment getting work placements/internships but some of these schemes are open to dc of black heritage only. My dc is reluctant to apply as he said he’d feel like a fraud, purely on looks - he looks like he might be Spanish or Greek but has blue eyes. The criteria are quite vague other than under represented people )within the organisation) of black/african /Caribbean heritage. I feel like he is entitled to apply and these schemes would give him more options.

Does anyone have any experience of these particular schemes or how they select?

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SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 08:59

Bringmeahigherlove · 21/08/2025 07:02

It never had to be stated, it was a given. Educate yourself. Read up about the Civil Rights Movement, the development and maintenance of the British Empire, the slave trade, the South African apartheid, the treatment of the indigenous people of North America. Basically, the entrenched belief that white people (mostly men) are superior. This filtered (and still does) into jobs and employment.

This is why there has been a movement for more diversity and inclusion in the last 10-15 years. This is now scoffed at as disadvantaging white people.

This is a very tired trope.

Slave trade has nothing to do with today's employment opportunities. It's a tired and weaponised theory.

Any paragraph that starts with "go educate yourself" is usually a predictor of an unhelpful theory that follows.

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 08:57

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Ginmonkeyagain · 21/08/2025 07:38

To try and inject some lived experience here. We use the 10,000 black interns scheme at my workplace. It isn't a job, it is a six week internship and there is no job at the end. The purpose is to open up possibilities and opportunities to people from groups who are under respresented in certain sectors and role or woild not be aware of.certain careers. There are many many more barriers than overt racial discrinination to people of colour choosing and progressing in certain careers and roles. We generally see this scheme as very successful in increasing the diversity in applicants for jobs (nb we do not operate any positive discrimination schemes for jobs)

We also take part in intern schemes for students from low income backgrounds and those with disabilities for similar reasons.

To the OP your son would would qualify and there is no reason why he shouldn't apply.

Bringmeahigherlove · 21/08/2025 07:02

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 16:39

I've never seen this. Could you provide any evidence of this to get a further understanding of what you're on about. I've had many jobs and not a single one have ever specified anything whatsoever even relating to race or skin colour.

It never had to be stated, it was a given. Educate yourself. Read up about the Civil Rights Movement, the development and maintenance of the British Empire, the slave trade, the South African apartheid, the treatment of the indigenous people of North America. Basically, the entrenched belief that white people (mostly men) are superior. This filtered (and still does) into jobs and employment.

This is why there has been a movement for more diversity and inclusion in the last 10-15 years. This is now scoffed at as disadvantaging white people.

CoralSea · 21/08/2025 06:47

Boomer55 · 20/08/2025 16:43

This. Jobs etc should be handed out on ability, nothing else.🤷‍♀️

Totally agree.

It's a real shame that such schemes are needed though as it isn't still the case in 2025 and ability isn't unfortunately the sole criteria.

zaazaazoom · 21/08/2025 06:37

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 17:19

You can't create a level playing field by creating an unfair un-level playing field. I agree it should be equal. By the very nature of this scheme makes it unfair for white people and any other people who may be suitable for the position.

A level playing field is attained by making the job vacancy OPEN and then choosing the BEST most capable candidate, regardless of their colour or heritage. To assume that people hiring will be racist is nonsensical. It's in their own best interest to hire the the most competent person for the position.

You can though. If a board is entirely made up of privately educated white men (as they used to be when I started out). When it comes to recruitment people play it safe and hire people that look and sound like them. Hence centuries of posh white men in charge.
As a society we have moved on a realised working class, non white, and even female people can do as good a job and improve performance of companies because they have different perspectives.
But despite knowing this people.co tinued to hire people that look and sound like them consciously or unconsciously hence the need for these schemes.
It was only 10 years ago that there were more men called John than women as CEOs of the top companies in the UK.

MapWall · 21/08/2025 06:30

SquishedMallow · 20/08/2025 23:38

You're very naive. I'm guessing you see colour first and will bend all truth to fit your "anti-racism" stance.

Why don't you try treating black people as equals? That includes dislike you know? You don't have to instantly like someone because they're black. I think that's called being patronising

I am not white and I find your comments ignorant.

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OrangeSlices998 · 21/08/2025 02:57

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:03

I will say this (and not make apologies) discrimination against non white people does not exist in the UK. It's not allowed . It's illegal.

Go to Qatar, UAE, anywhere in fact? You'll find there's overt racism. The UK : not.

You’re saying categorically racism doesn’t exist? 🙄 Just because racism isn’t overt doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen! Lots of places like universities for example will review applications ‘blind’ so they don’t know your sex, race etc because it removes the element of unconscious bias.

GypsyQueeen · 21/08/2025 02:44

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Pinkfluffypencilcase · 21/08/2025 02:16

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:17

An example, health care, employment prospects, a black male teenager is much more likely to be followed by security in a store, in comparison to a white teenager,
a bunch of white teenagers are referred to as a group, black teenagers are referred to as a gang.
White professional footballers aren't subjected to disgusting chants.

Yes! I always remember seeing a news story. 2 males together committing g the same crime. One described as a youth the other a boy. Guess which one was black and which one was white.. the bias was shocking to see so obviously.

sashh · 21/08/2025 01:59

MKDex · 20/08/2025 15:52

I see why its morally tricky. The point of these schemes is to counter the racism people experience as a result of the way they look. Its doesn't sound like that's something your son experiences?

White looking people can suffer racism too.

One of my friends who is black said the one thing she never expected was to give birth to a white child. OP Greek / Spanish looking too.

My friend's daughter had quite a tough time at school and whenever my friend went in to the school they assumed she was the stepmother.

OP

If he fits the criteria then he should apply.

TempestTost · 21/08/2025 01:37

This kind of thing is a huge problem now in certain sectors in my country, for example academia.

There are far too many candidates for positions, and having certain heritage or other characteristics gives you a leg up for positions - in fact some are only open to certain groups of people.

Unsurprisingly, there are sudden;y all kinds of people getting in touch with some element of their heritage. I knew one person who (sucessfully!) claimed membership to a certain group through a step grandparent in a homosexual relationship.

There will likely be all kinds of people who looked very mixed OP, if there is an advantage to be had everyone will try and use it.

Personally I would not feel comfortable bumping other people out of a spot because they don't tick the right race box.

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SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:44

EmeraldShamrock000 · 20/08/2025 23:07

I disagree.
It very much exists, especially today, in this raging racist society.

Have you lived in other countries apart from the UK? The UK has laws in place (that are upheld) that will not allow someone to be discriminated against based on their (non white) ethnicity. And rightly so. Go to other countries. You'll find we're the fairest far and wide

BeverleyMackerr · 21/08/2025 00:38

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:32

Yeh. Your "we" who are they ? So far nobody else has come on to support your (nasty, judgemental, wrong ) point.

You do realise there are people with diagnosed personality disorders that read this thread don't you ? Or do they not matter ?

Nah, thought not. (Not enough virtue signal points)

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I don’t need anyone to support me lmao I don’t rely on mumsnet ‘likes’ to validate me unlike you clearly 😂

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:38

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 19:30

I don't think white people are over represented. Obviously there will be variation amongst different sectors. But if we look at sectors like TV and advertising then POC are vastly over represented and make up nearly 17% of the workforce. Considering the only make up less than 4% of the general population there's a likely chance that's due to racist hiring practices to make them look good.

Can you show any evidence of what you claim as so far no ones actually produced any despite many claims that it exists.

Unfortunately your mad according to some 🥴

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:33

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Yeh. Your "we" who are they ? So far nobody else has come on to support your (nasty, judgemental, wrong ) point.

You do realise there are people with diagnosed personality disorders that read this thread don't you ? Or do they not matter ?

Nah, thought not. (Not enough virtue signal points)

BeverleyMackerr · 21/08/2025 00:31

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I think I don’t care what you think

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SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:29

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 21:02

Why would it be useful or otherwise to have more black men in law. Why would skin colour make any difference?

Because "diversity" makes the whites feel good. But I'm "mad" so don't listen to me 🙄

SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:27

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 19:30

I don't think white people are over represented. Obviously there will be variation amongst different sectors. But if we look at sectors like TV and advertising then POC are vastly over represented and make up nearly 17% of the workforce. Considering the only make up less than 4% of the general population there's a likely chance that's due to racist hiring practices to make them look good.

Can you show any evidence of what you claim as so far no ones actually produced any despite many claims that it exists.

I agree .

Apparently I'm "mad" /"have a personality disorder"

BeverleyMackerr · 21/08/2025 00:27

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SquishedMallow · 21/08/2025 00:25

Alicealig · 20/08/2025 16:42

What barriers have they faced? And if they have, you are advocating that this is the right way forward. Surely two wrongs don't make a right and it discriminate against young people who had nothing to do with any of that. Surely today we should be pushing the fact that skin pigmentation plays NO part in job hiring.

Good point

Allegedly I'm mad for implying we're all equal (good, bad, indifferent) UK law also supports this