Diversity schemes for young people - mixed race child.

I am sure most people would love more togetherness. We don’t get that by pretending prejudice and discrimination don’t exist though, you get the opposite. History is very important in understanding how we have got to this place and why schemes like the OP is talking about exist. It would be a marvellous world if that didn’t need to happen and merit was enough in today’s job opportunities.

What happened many years ago is abhorrent.

I don't personally think it's helpful to bring that history into today's employment opportunities. I think division encourages more division.

I do believe that current employment practices are very pro diversity and luckily people from ethnic minorities are rightly backed by our laws if they face discrimination.

I just wish we could stop the division and segregation and foster more 'togetherness'

I didn’t follow with a theory. I gave examples of how entrenched racism is from centuries of imperialism and colonialism. Calling it a “tired trope” only serves to make you look ignorant.

In an ideal world but unless you're from a minority you wouldn't know the numerous microagressions which prevent you from progressing. Think of it like a race. There's a starting line. Then take one step back if you're not white. Then take one back if you're female. Then take one back if you're disabled. These are real prejudices. They exist. I don't see them all, because they don't all apply to me, but I do some. You see my point.

He should apply.

Oh the ignorance is astounding.
My black dil has faced discrimination and racism her entire life, she can't afford courts and solicitors, your suggestion that courts are the solution is ridiculous.

And it's black people that have been telling white people for years that they're seen as less than white people, they've been telling us that they're discriminated against, that employers are racist. How many black police are there vs white ones? Ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in every way this country and if you can't see that you're either ignorant, naive or live in white suburbia and have no idea what daily life is like in an inner city.

There is no justification? Tell that to the black people who don't get jobs because they're not white.

If the scheme is aimed at people who aren't white then he meets the criteria, how someone looks is irrelevant.

My grandson is mixed race, his mother is black... He has very pale olive skin, brown soft curly hair and blue eyes. He's still half black.

Yes, I should have worded that better. I accept that and can see my mistake.

Most people want everyone to have a fair chance in life - the only real issue is 'how do we do that?'.

'Positive discrimination' is no better than any other type, but clearly goes on, with examples including some RAF recruiters recently being asked to give preference to non-white applicants.

Race is only one thing, of course, with sex, disability, age etc all having their own impacts.

Currently, I think we've perhaps gone a little too far in some of our diversity efforts and will see a swing back at some point, before that too goes too far, and back we come again. Will we ever reach a stable state? Probably not....

whether he qualifies or not, if he hasn’t experienced prejudice or hardship as a result
of his race or colour he should ensure his space is given to someone who has.

That is still not evidence of actual equality at either a structural or personal level.

It is equality to like or dislike people based on their personalities. HTH

I didn't misunderstand. It is what you said. Your final declaration was "Ya know what. That right there : that's equality". Page 4 if you need a refresher. Observing that black people have personality isn't equality.

Yes. I see many young people taking care roles from enthic backgrounds, walking from houses on foot to care for the vulnerable.

Fabulous intelligent youths that the government should be investing in from early years, if they want a financially stable country in the future.

Before anyone hops on me, there's plenty of middle aged people to take on the crappie roles in wc areas, let the young people be educated. Not have to work long hours to provide clothes for themselves.

No. You misunderstood.

My point being was that their colour was completely and utterly irrelevant.

Whether you employ someone should not be based on whether they're "black" - because, as we can see, from my examples, black people... Are just people. by employing people purely based on how black they are is treating black people like one big homogenous mass.

I think the double whammy is when kids are working class and from an ethnic minority. Add in something like a disability on top and the odds are really stacked against them.

It's a shame that some people are so resistant to attempts to give people a chance.

We also take part in intern schemes for students from low income backgrounds and those with disabilities for similar reasons.

I have witnessed this sort of scheme change the lifestyle for many youths, alongside access programmes to universities.

As a working class teenager in the 90's, work experience was sweeping the floor of the local hairdressing salon or stacking boxes.

It's unfortunate that these schemes are required, those who are against them, don't suffer discrimination, it feels awful, I imagine racist discrimination feels much worse.

Maybe you need to reread what you wrote. The post i am referring to is still up. You spoke about how you know 2 black ladies, one is nice one is not. And summarized that that is equality. Which it isn't.
If that wasn't your point, you shouldn't have said it. Acknowledging that black people are not a homogeny is not equality, nor is it even evidence that you treat people of any race equally.

If you couldn't understand my illustrated points: that's your problem.

I think the obvious conclusions is : you can't win with people like you.

You're wrong if you notice blackness
You're wrong if you dont notice it.
You're wrong if you dare to say "my friends are black"
If you don't have any black friends, You're critisized for that
You're wrong if you speak up for black people because you're centring yourself
You're wrong if you remain silent as you're colluding with the problem
You're wrong if you employ someone white when there's black candidates
You're wrong if you employ the black candidate under positive discrimination
I could go on and on.

So my point being , in my examples, was black people are just.... People. I refuse to play these divisive games and you'll be treated the same as I treat everyone. Based on merit.

You're attempting to rewrite what you said now because you've realised how ridiculous it was to make the claim that you did.

You said that discrimination against non-white people doesn't exist in the UK. Not merely that it wasn't legal.

It's ok to make mistakes. Just acknowledge that you were wrong.

For someone who claims colour doesn't matter you've spent an awful lot of time asking people if they are white, and talking about how different the two black women you know are to each other...
Which is evidence of neither equality nor that racism and discrimination don't exist. It is ony evidence that you pretend to overlook it, whilst spending an awful lot of evidence focusing on it.

I do notice colour. I'm not blind. I just don't tend to use it to make up my mind whether I like someone or not.

You said "Discrimination against non white people doesn't exist in the UK" Doesn't exist and illegal are two entirely different things. Otherwise murder doesn't exist in the UK. Or shoplifting. Or rape. Why would you think laws that make discrimination on the grounds of race illegal have managed to eradicate it, when laws making all manner of heinous acts illegal haven't managed to create a crime free society?

Illegal things happen all the time. Things (like colour) don't cease to exist just because you pretend not to notice them.

If you could read my paragraph again you will see that not once did I say "racism doesn't exist" that's inflammatory.

What I did say was: discrimination based on those characteristics in the UK is not legal.