Diversity schemes for young people - mixed race child.

But is it everyone's end goal? I think that's wishful thinking and exactly why we need intentional action rather than wishy washy buzzwords. It would be lovely if everyone was dedicated equality, but they aren't so we must make them.

Thankyou for putting your head above the parapet and offering your voice from a non white perspective. Its a very balanced opinion. Unfortunately I think all black and brown people are treated as a monolithic by the extreme left (the educated ones) and they assume all people from ethnic minorities are "angry" and actively want positive discrimination.

You seem to be getting a hard time here and I don’t want to add to that but what you’ve just said is basically gaslighting as I’ve said nothing of the sort. I’m sure you are well intended.

I'm not white but I believe the way forward should be completely blind interviews/job applications, where the applicants sex, education facility, race, disability or any other protected chracteristic is hidden.

I don't believe reverse racism helps in any way, and actually harms the country's social cohesion and productiveness. It is racism to assume that someone will or won't succeed based on their skin colour.

Or... You could just accept that the end point is the goal : to not be racist towards people.

So if that's done via living by simple platitudes instead of reading your books , why is that a problem?

You seem to think that only highly educated people are capable of not being racist. That's very judgemental and ignorant (do you have a class bias ?) could be unconscious?

How is being aware of a prejudice and discrimination divisive?

Racism itself may be a modern term. The act of treating people as subordinates because of their skin colour or perceiving them as uncivilised isn’t. Huge parts of Africa were not poor before colonisation and the slave trade. Read up about Benin.

I came back to say this. No books read or recommended, just some platitudes. It’s not going to cut it I’m afraid.

Don’t give them any more crazy ideas, we’ll be having babies with white skin cancelled before they can speak next

I already said up thread that my wording wasn't correct and led to it being misconstrued (understandably)

Totally illogical - loads of stuff is illegal but still exists - heroin, rape, murder?!

If you believe a baby displays racial prejudice..... You and me are done corresponding.

A baby is incapable of forming complex thoughts. So it cannot possibly be rooted in stereotype/preconceived ideas/prejudice. It's literally impossible. It's an absolute joke of a point.

Earlier on yes. From 2 days ago. I admit I was acting in frustration and probably hasn't worded my posts very maturely.

I've not done that since.

Or ask babies and people with downs syndrome how they manage to not be racist ?

The simplest answer and usually the most obvious one is usually the right one.

You can report the insults. They will be removed.
I do note that plenty of your comments have also been deleted....

You wanting equality via simple virtues does not make it so. If you truly cared about equality you would acknowledge that not everyone wants to live that way and some people must be forced to. Nice ideas don't equate to an equal society. You're so blinkered if you won't consider this.
Again, I didn't say babies are racist. I said babies display racial prejudice. It isn't the same thing.

If you re read today's post exchange from us. Look how many times I've insulted you? And look how many times you've insulted me .

Thankyou for saying this. I find it really disheartening to have to keep proving I'm not racist for simply wanting equality (by using simple everyday virtues) because otherwise, if we take that and other posters views that you have to have read a thousand books and deeply understand systemic racism from decades gone by to really be non racist, then we're saying only the clever people can be non racist. And that's simply not true as evidenced by babies, toddlers, young children, people with downs syndrome, intellectual disability etc etc .

But then I was told babies can display racism..... (They haven't read the books)

You can't comment because you know it's true: the least educated are usually the least racist. They genuinely treat people "all the same". Positive discrimination can be as harmful as outright discrimination.

Babies do not favour white skin. Babies look for their mother. If baby Is black : probably looking for a black mummy figure. If baby is white : probably looking for a white mummy figure.

If you could try to make me understand how that makes them inherently biased towards white people I'd be happy to hear it?

But what I can tell you with absolute conviction is: it won't be due to racism.

Your principles don't equal equality. I'm not sure why you're pretending not to grasp that. Even if you yourself were lovely and truly treated everyone equally, it still does not mean that equality has been achieved. Virtues are great, everyone should treat everyone nicely - but they do not and are not tackling systemic inequality. Expecting everyone to just be nice doesn't work.
Young children are measurably prejudiced. Not deliberately, and not with the hate that adults can be, but they are from babyhood. I'm not aware of any research on those with intellectual disabilities so I shan't comment on that.

This is just a small twist on ‘you’re racist if you disagree with me’. That is deliberate ignorance and as I’m sure you’ve noticed doesn’t work anymore in shutting down discussion.

You've just called me "ignorant".

I stand by my simple virtues. The simplest and most obvious answer is usually the correct one.

So, you're saying that you've got to be extremely educated in order to not be racist.

Well let's look at people that have no concept of racism and manage to not be racist :
-young children
-People with limited intellectual capability such as those with learning difficulties or downs syndrome.

Have they read your books ?

If you wish to add some legitimacy to your views you are free to back them up with anything at all. As it stands you are dismissing measurable inequality based on nothing at all. That is deliberate ignorance.

Here comes the insult flinging again...

Sorry but you are just plain ignorant if you think wishy washy sentiments are enough to erase centuries of systemic racism.
I shan't repeat what I said earlier lest it get deleted again, but I stand by it.