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Reeves plan to tax houses over 500k PART TWO

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soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 15:23

I am not the OP from the OP!

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Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:30

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:29

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Like spray foam insulation that made properties unmortgageable, that sort of well thought out scheme?

Like air source heat pumps and solar panels that work well and save people thousands of pounds every year. That kind of well thought out scheme.

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:29

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Like spray foam insulation that made properties unmortgageable, that sort of well thought out scheme?

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 17:28

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:14

A simple solution for those that can't or won't make changes is to introduce a tax that reflects a lack of energy efficiency measures and which can be invested in green initiatives.

Why though my carbon footprint is way way lower than many others. I’m of the ‘put on a jumper’ school of central heating. I usually find other houses etc way too hot, went years and years without flying, owned 1 tiny car for essential trips blah blah. Just because my house has big opening windows what possible justification is there for charging me some kind of ‘tax”?

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:28

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:25

What green initiatives anyway?

The ones that are basically a nice little earner for governments rich friends and havent really done much for the country overall?

Green initiatives like building tons of houses without proper cycle routes or walking routes to and from them? Cutting public transport down? Cutting bin collections so theres shit and rubbish everywhere? Closing public toilets so people literally do shit in the street (live in a tourist area)

I could go on.

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Bruisername · 19/08/2025 17:27

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:25

So are you claiming there are no measures whatsoever you can take to improve the energy efficiency of your property?

I have a listed property and I can’t even put in subtle double glazing

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:25

What green initiatives anyway?

The ones that are basically a nice little earner for governments rich friends and havent really done much for the country overall?

Green initiatives like building tons of houses without proper cycle routes or walking routes to and from them? Cutting public transport down? Cutting bin collections so theres shit and rubbish everywhere? Closing public toilets so people literally do shit in the street (live in a tourist area)

I could go on.

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Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:25

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:19

Like I said.
We’re not allowed to
Further more a tax like that would end up in court for those with housing stock where such measures would be detrimental to the building fabric

There’s only so far you can go with older housing stock before this becomes a reality.

You simply can’t tax people when they can’t do something by law or can’t because to do so makes their building unliveable

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So are you claiming there are no measures whatsoever you can take to improve the energy efficiency of your property?

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:19

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:14

A simple solution for those that can't or won't make changes is to introduce a tax that reflects a lack of energy efficiency measures and which can be invested in green initiatives.

Like I said.
We’re not allowed to
Further more a tax like that would end up in court for those with housing stock where such measures would be detrimental to the building fabric

There’s only so far you can go with older housing stock before this becomes a reality.

You simply can’t tax people when they can’t do something by law or can’t because to do so makes their building unliveable

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:14

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:09

Agree soupy
We can’t seal and insulate all our housing stock it’s simply dangerous on some buildings

A simple solution for those that can't or won't make changes is to introduce a tax that reflects a lack of energy efficiency measures and which can be invested in green initiatives.

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:09

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:05

Sash windows are rarely fully airtight so they tend to be coldish and can sometimes have a bit of airflow round them. I like that.

I personally dont like new builds for a number of reasons but their small windows is one of them, our windows are big and I like that.

The changes that our house would have to make, if your suggestion was put in place, is that some of the structure might have to change, we cant for example increase our loft insulation without significantly changing the flooring and joists around, our utility and conservatory might have to change as its not likely to be insulated and eco enough I wouldnt hav thought.

And although it wouldnt change the appearence of the property, another option that is often discussed in terms of insulation is cavity wall insulation which I wouldnt put in.

Not sure why you have to sound so incredulous.

Agree soupy
We can’t seal and insulate all our housing stock it’s simply dangerous on some buildings

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:07

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 16:53

Compromised by what? Why on earth are you talking about 'breezes' coming into your house and small windows?

@Bluebellwood129 we can’t increase ours as we are listed

Of note increasing wall insulation often has adverse affects on ventilation. Buildings have to breathe and sealing old buildings prevents that.
Hence mould and decay

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:05

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 16:53

Compromised by what? Why on earth are you talking about 'breezes' coming into your house and small windows?

Sash windows are rarely fully airtight so they tend to be coldish and can sometimes have a bit of airflow round them. I like that.

I personally dont like new builds for a number of reasons but their small windows is one of them, our windows are big and I like that.

The changes that our house would have to make, if your suggestion was put in place, is that some of the structure might have to change, we cant for example increase our loft insulation without significantly changing the flooring and joists around, our utility and conservatory might have to change as its not likely to be insulated and eco enough I wouldnt hav thought.

And although it wouldnt change the appearence of the property, another option that is often discussed in terms of insulation is cavity wall insulation which I wouldnt put in.

Not sure why you have to sound so incredulous.

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DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:02

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 16:02

I can’t see how this will work for the elderly, my relative lives off state pension and attendance allowance only, she has a 2 bed house which is only 2 or 3 council tax bands below someone living in a castle (or a 7 bed on 2 acres) I’ve checked to see if she is in the right band and yes she squeezed into the one she is in by £125. No one in the family is interested in paying this tax for her (no one can afford it frankly) if she needs to go into care they’re taking the house, she looked at moving but she swaps her own 2 bed for a small 1 bed flat, no garden further out of town (recently given up driving so that won’t work)
Seriously what is she supposed to do? And yes she worked all her life!

This new idea on tax changes won’t affect her unless she moves

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 17:01

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:43

I dont know if you were aiming that at me but I know Spain pensioned off a lot of its public sector workers to make way for young people, so people in Spain at one point many years ago started a very long retirement with good government pensions to compensate. Im not sure how that went, whether that was a good move or not.

I think it was to paddling but your opinion is always welcome 😀

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 16:53

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:45

Well no one would ever sell then!

And not everyone wants that in a house, I dont. I like a breeze coming through the house I like fresh air. I dont want small windows either and I dont want the look of my house compromised.

Compromised by what? Why on earth are you talking about 'breezes' coming into your house and small windows?

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 16:50

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 16:49

So a very narrow curriculum ie no art/music/drama/IT/DT/RE etc. What happens to the non-academic children?
How do you increase classroom numbers in existing schools? If you reduce class sizes then you need to increase number of classes.

Sorry @soupyspoon I've quoted your wrong comment, the one where you stated education aims isn't the one I've quoted here!

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 16:49

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 15:51

We have had services cut which were preventative, just one example was shutting support services for parents, Sure start and the like.
Public transport has been cut, so this limites mobility and job seeking and that has a knock on effect on social problems
There may be an argument about covid causing longer term health problems, Im not sure on that one but lots of people would say that
We had Brexit, sorry to say, I know people got uppity about this being mentioned on the other thread but year on year this has had a massive impact
Less social housing year on year, meaning more homelessness and poverty, raising social needs and social problems.
Higher expectation from the public about provision, aging population, now that fags and booze dont kill people off people live longer, dont pay the duty on those items anymore but need health care and social care

The list is endless, these are just some examples

So a very narrow curriculum ie no art/music/drama/IT/DT/RE etc. What happens to the non-academic children?
How do you increase classroom numbers in existing schools? If you reduce class sizes then you need to increase number of classes.

nearlylovemyusername · 19/08/2025 16:46

@PaddlingSwan

A lot of points which should be done, but where is your source of funding?
Did I understand you correctly that tax free allowance would be equal to benefits? what is incentive to work.

Dramatic reduction of personal taxes would spike demand - how will you control inflation? do you believe that corporation taxes will compensate for lost personal taxes? look at this pie:
Where does the government get its money? | Institute for Fiscal Studies

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:45

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 16:39

Not sure of the current regulations for new-build housing in the UK, but I would apply minimum insulation and heat source standards as well as things like triple-glazed windows.

This needs to go much further than just new build housing. I would like to see compulsory measures that must be made to meet minimum standards before a property can be sold. Far too many excuses being made by people living in awful old houses.

Well no one would ever sell then!

And not everyone wants that in a house, I dont. I like a breeze coming through the house I like fresh air. I dont want small windows either and I dont want the look of my house compromised.

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Letgoofmyblank · 19/08/2025 16:44

It would be really helpful if people understood pensions and how they compare to other country’s pension systems better.

We have a state pension that is low. But we also have occupational pension system where the government gives excellent tax breaks to employers and employees to invest. In other countries occupational pensions are combined into the state pension system. Employers and employees pile money into the state system. There is no separate state backed system.

People don’t understand this and compare the state pension here with the state pension overseas, not understanding that they are comparing apples and pears. A fairer comparison would be to compare your state AND occupational pension with overseas state pensions.

UK state pensions are low because we pay little into it.

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:43

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 16:21

A lot of sense in what you say but practicalities. No increase in benefits for more children? You would decrease the pension age despite everyone living longer?
I’ve long thought new builds should be more ‘eco’

I dont know if you were aiming that at me but I know Spain pensioned off a lot of its public sector workers to make way for young people, so people in Spain at one point many years ago started a very long retirement with good government pensions to compensate. Im not sure how that went, whether that was a good move or not.

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Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 16:39

Not sure of the current regulations for new-build housing in the UK, but I would apply minimum insulation and heat source standards as well as things like triple-glazed windows.

This needs to go much further than just new build housing. I would like to see compulsory measures that must be made to meet minimum standards before a property can be sold. Far too many excuses being made by people living in awful old houses.

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 16:31

nearlylovemyusername · 19/08/2025 15:43

Pensions are 49% of welfare budget. UK state pensions are one of the lowest in developed countries already. Triple lock can be reviewed, but this doesn't change a thing about benefits.

Plus there’s already talk of raising the state pension age to 70

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 16:21

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:08

Yes I would vote for you.

A lot of sense in what you say but practicalities. No increase in benefits for more children? You would decrease the pension age despite everyone living longer?
I’ve long thought new builds should be more ‘eco’

nearlylovemyusername · 19/08/2025 16:19

I would do the following:

  • Borrow to build masses of flats in areas with concentration of employment. IKEA style flats of reasonable quality suitable for a family (so decent insulation, size etc) and at no profit. Not via housebuilders but state (Planning permissions don't matter given profits to be made). Because it's a capital project markets wouldn't be freaked out. Anyone could rent such flat at a very reduced rate but on condition of not owning any other property. Obv no subletting. So people can move where jobs are and raise families and NMW is sufficient to have a reasonable quality of life.
  • I'd increase personal allowance from 12.5k to something more, e.g. 18-20k, need to work on numbers
  • I'd reform PIP so it's not based on how I feel it impacts me but based on formal diagnosis supported by objective medical tests. And no, ADHD doesn't qualify, medication is available. Those with perm disabilities don't need reviews ever
  • I'd reform UC to make all benefits time limited and linked to previous earnings up to a certain cap.
  • I'd remove all cliff edge taxation
  • I'd work on change of culture to celebrate success and admire high achievers