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Reeves plan to tax houses over 500k PART TWO

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soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 15:23

I am not the OP from the OP!

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DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:18

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:16

God knows, the next jump in prices are if you want a 1 bed or 2 bed, then you're looking at around 120k and then 200k, same leaselength issues and same cost of charges

Next up there was an option of a proper maisonette, the 30s style ones, on at 250k but its an auction property and the lease is 61 years, so thats why its cheap.

Anything that would meet their needs or her needs when he dies, is around 400k, 2 bed, needs a ground floor.

So financially not sure it makes a lot of sense to downsize given if she needs to, she could convert the whole downstairs into living and sleeping space.

This is outer London, she needs to be near her friends and things.

Agree and those service charges could go into things she needs when she needs them.
Like a cleaner for example

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:16

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:11

Wow

whats included in those service charges.

God knows, the next jump in prices are if you want a 1 bed or 2 bed, then you're looking at around 120k and then 200k, same leaselength issues and same cost of charges

Next up there was an option of a proper maisonette, the 30s style ones, on at 250k but its an auction property and the lease is 61 years, so thats why its cheap.

Anything that would meet their needs or her needs when he dies, is around 400k, 2 bed, needs a ground floor.

So financially not sure it makes a lot of sense to downsize given if she needs to, she could convert the whole downstairs into living and sleeping space.

This is outer London, she needs to be near her friends and things.

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Littleredgoat · 19/08/2025 18:13

When will she learn. Anything she touches goes to absolute shit.

Just leave it alone and pray, Rach. You'd have a much better chance

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:11

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:08

Out of interest Ive just been browsing rightmove for retirement flats or downsizing options if one or both of my parents were to do this. They could get a flat for around 80k but the service charges are coming up at 3.5 and 4.5k a year!!

With quite low lease lengths as well

Wow

whats included in those service charges.

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:08

Out of interest Ive just been browsing rightmove for retirement flats or downsizing options if one or both of my parents were to do this. They could get a flat for around 80k but the service charges are coming up at 3.5 and 4.5k a year!!

With quite low lease lengths as well

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DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:05

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:02

Wasnt there a thread on here recently about someone who had just bought their flat, new build and it was unlivable in terms of the heat. Lots of other posters came on to say the same thing. Awful.

Yes I’ve seen that too
Its a significant problem for those doing loft conversions

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:02

Labradorlover987 · 19/08/2025 17:50

I’d like to see the welfare bill cut - whilst I am sympathetic up to a point, I find it fairly ridiculous that someone can work 18hours on minimum wage, have their wage topped up by Universal Credit, a council tax reduction and their rent paid - why aren’t these people forced to work full time like everyone else?

I agree and now that there’s 30 free hours childcare I think that 18 hours minimum needs to raise to full time hours for both parents.

I agree not all jobs offer that but as a starter zero hours contracts need to be banned imo

Julen7 · 19/08/2025 18:02

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:02

Wasnt there a thread on here recently about someone who had just bought their flat, new build and it was unlivable in terms of the heat. Lots of other posters came on to say the same thing. Awful.

Yes I remember that.

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 18:02

Wasnt there a thread on here recently about someone who had just bought their flat, new build and it was unlivable in terms of the heat. Lots of other posters came on to say the same thing. Awful.

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HonestOpalHelper · 19/08/2025 18:01

PinkRosieGard3n · 19/08/2025 15:45

I work in conveyancing. I have not read the last thread.

The housing market is an excellent way to boost the overall economy.

If we scrap stamp duty for a while the buying and selling of houses booms. Retail and trade also increases as people take those £thousands saved and get the kicthen done or buy things for their new house. I get thats just a cohort of people who are moving right then at that stamp duty break. But in my opinion if this tax on selling a house over 500k I would think twice about moving again anytime soon.

My own circumstance I bought a house last year 520k. Potentially could have one more big move in me. Im 35 good job stable home etc. 10 years could possibly sell and buy a house at 700k but now I won't bother. I'll stay put until I NEED to downsize. This means me and people like me are not contributing to the economy by moving house.

However we dont really know the ins and outs of the proposal just yet... but as it stands I think there is other ways to boost spending and gather more tax in than this

I agree, I live in a £400K house, simple won't move up the ladder, its fine, don't want to get lumbered paying another annual property tax on top of council tax (or its replacement), so will stay put -

I think it will create a divide because people in houses under £500K won't sell up and move on as readily, houses like yours may be marked for £499.95K to just get clear creating a gap in the market.

Who knows, might never happen!

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:59

GoBazGo · 19/08/2025 17:45

Me too.

@PaddlingSwan

See above re over insulation. Even new buildings become unhealthy to live in if they are over insulated with triple glazing etc. the current Uvalues have been increasing over the last 20 years and some buildings now are becoming uncomfortable to live in in the summer

Not sure why pension age would have to reduce to 63 after current or soon to be pensioners. Either life expectancy is going up or stagnating but it won’t be going down

It would be difficult and expensive to base rental prices on standards. All businesses have a right to make a profit ( I’m not a LL btw) and any rental caps would need to reflect this or we’ll lose more landlords. We need them whether we like it or not

Reducing the arts at school is denying those who are non academic a chance to thrive and would have negative impacts on us as a country in terms of diversity of talents

Constantly varying school sizes or availability doesnt work if you want to retain staff

Reducing Uni places is going backwards in terms of all children’s chance at a higher academic level. If you can you should have the chance

Yep
All getting a bit too draconian for me

Julen7 · 19/08/2025 17:56

Labradorlover987 · 19/08/2025 17:50

I’d like to see the welfare bill cut - whilst I am sympathetic up to a point, I find it fairly ridiculous that someone can work 18hours on minimum wage, have their wage topped up by Universal Credit, a council tax reduction and their rent paid - why aren’t these people forced to work full time like everyone else?

Agree!

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:52

Labradorlover987 · 19/08/2025 17:50

I’d like to see the welfare bill cut - whilst I am sympathetic up to a point, I find it fairly ridiculous that someone can work 18hours on minimum wage, have their wage topped up by Universal Credit, a council tax reduction and their rent paid - why aren’t these people forced to work full time like everyone else?

Completey agree

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Labradorlover987 · 19/08/2025 17:50

I’d like to see the welfare bill cut - whilst I am sympathetic up to a point, I find it fairly ridiculous that someone can work 18hours on minimum wage, have their wage topped up by Universal Credit, a council tax reduction and their rent paid - why aren’t these people forced to work full time like everyone else?

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:48

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:36

Theres more to green initiatives than looking through a very narrow lens though isnt there? What you are suggesting is very indivdualistic. What I have suggested benefits the majority and makes life much more pleasant having an impact on our physical and mental health.

And your other post citing heat pumps, these are not the magic bullet that people make out, they cannot be easily or effectively retro fitted to a property, the whole heating system has to be changed. Not efficient, not desireable.

No one is suggesting any one idea should be implemented in isolation but individuals need to take greater accountability for their choices.

GoBazGo · 19/08/2025 17:45

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 16:08

Yes I would vote for you.

Me too.

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:42

At £5K, the pump will have paid for itself within 3 years surely? Ours had a payback of 2.4 years.

For us, yes - heating with electricity was obviously extortionate. But it won't be the case for properties using mains gas - they will be probably 10K out of pocket (as most people can't plumb their own homes) for no savings or possibly higher bills.

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:39

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:36

Theres more to green initiatives than looking through a very narrow lens though isnt there? What you are suggesting is very indivdualistic. What I have suggested benefits the majority and makes life much more pleasant having an impact on our physical and mental health.

And your other post citing heat pumps, these are not the magic bullet that people make out, they cannot be easily or effectively retro fitted to a property, the whole heating system has to be changed. Not efficient, not desireable.

Plus heat pumps don’t work with all properties, it wouldnt work with ours we’ve already looked into it

We did use Cameron’s excellent initiative for solar panels on our last house though.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:37

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:35

Like air source heat pumps and solar panels that work well and save people thousands of pounds every year. That kind of well thought out scheme.

That's not well thought out at all though. We actually have a heat pump, and took advantage of the scheme, but it made sense for us as our home only had electric heating. Even with the grant, and doing the plumbing ourselves, it cost us an extra £5K.

Why would anyone with mains gas bother?

At £5K, the pump will have paid for itself within 3 years surely? Ours had a payback of 2.4 years.

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:36

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:28

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Theres more to green initiatives than looking through a very narrow lens though isnt there? What you are suggesting is very indivdualistic. What I have suggested benefits the majority and makes life much more pleasant having an impact on our physical and mental health.

And your other post citing heat pumps, these are not the magic bullet that people make out, they cannot be easily or effectively retro fitted to a property, the whole heating system has to be changed. Not efficient, not desireable.

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DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:35

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:29

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Like spray foam insulation that made properties unmortgageable, that sort of well thought out scheme?

Exactly

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:35

Like air source heat pumps and solar panels that work well and save people thousands of pounds every year. That kind of well thought out scheme.

That's not well thought out at all though. We actually have a heat pump, and took advantage of the scheme, but it made sense for us as our home only had electric heating. Even with the grant, and doing the plumbing ourselves, it cost us an extra £5K.

Why would anyone with mains gas bother?

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:33

SpaceRaccoon · 19/08/2025 17:29

Green initiatives like offering incentives for people willing to make improvements to their homes to improve energy efficiency.

Like spray foam insulation that made properties unmortgageable, that sort of well thought out scheme?

Exterior cladding that burns down and people now cant move out of their flats.

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DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 17:32

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 17:25

So are you claiming there are no measures whatsoever you can take to improve the energy efficiency of your property?

We can’t on the walls grade 2 star listed

Externally Wooden Frame Hall house lathe and plaster with hay for insulation

The roof is insulated as a cold roof. We are not allowed to make it a warm roof as we will affect the 14/15th century burning on the timbers

We are not allowed double glazing as we have original lead windows.

We can’t insulate the floors as we’d have to rip up the originals. We can’t lift the Tudor brick floors to give a flatter feel as the bricks are worn down where people have walked The conservation officer insists they are retained as is

We like many listed building owners have already had these conversations without Conservation officers and in order to retain the UKs historic buildings we are exempt.

Notnowjo · 19/08/2025 17:31

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 17:25

What green initiatives anyway?

The ones that are basically a nice little earner for governments rich friends and havent really done much for the country overall?

Green initiatives like building tons of houses without proper cycle routes or walking routes to and from them? Cutting public transport down? Cutting bin collections so theres shit and rubbish everywhere? Closing public toilets so people literally do shit in the street (live in a tourist area)

I could go on.

Yes have been exploring fields where I used to live recently and so much human shit and toilet roll in them it was sad.

Wont be a problem for much longer they are all being concreted over!

so sad

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