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Reeves plan to tax houses over 500k PART TWO

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soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 15:23

I am not the OP from the OP!

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Absentmindedsmile · 19/08/2025 19:04

Absentmindedsmile · 19/08/2025 19:00

In no particular order:

  1. Reduce benefits significantly more. Start with cancelling PIP for eg. ADHD. £20 BILLION pounds per year just on PIP. 30-40% uk are on benefits.
  2. Increase income tax
  3. Stop illegal immigration outright. Australia managed it and so can the uk if there was a will. IT CAN BE DONE.
  4. Agree that Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) is a scandal that is being ignored, and commit to addressing it.

Labour do all of the above and I promise I’ll vote for you next time .

ps. Talking about introducing a ridiculous housing tax that will only encourage people to stay where they are / stop paying taxes by whatever legal means possible , is laughable.

hushabybaby · 19/08/2025 19:04

I’d like to know how it will actually work, will it be a tax we have to pay forever? When you own your home out right you still have to pay it ? On top of council tax? Sounds a lot like the American system! They never really own a home because of property tax

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 19:01

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:53

So are you arguing that passivhaus is not a good design?

This is about how all existing U.K. housing stock can be improved.
Not all can be ‘improved’ to that level and for many older houses it would be impossible

Building new makes it possible but that isn’t what this conversation is about.
On a personal level I would never live in a mechanically vented property but that’s just personal

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 19:01

Coatsoff42 · 19/08/2025 18:51

It’s a lot, but these buildings usually have a nice friendly concierge for parcels etc, and you sometimes get a daily call, plus when you are really housebound they end up being in touch with the gp or family over concerns. It’s like paying for a loose support network for isolated people.

I could buy a package of that for her though and she gets to stay in her own home. AT the moment the both of them refuse to have a cleaner in and they've been let down by a gardener but Im assuming, perhaps wrongly that my dad would pass first and then me and my sibling would have to get a package in to support her, we are both 2 hours drive away in opposite directions. So she'll need some persuasion but for about 4k a year we could fund that.

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Absentmindedsmile · 19/08/2025 19:00

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 15:24

For those saying cut spending on 'systems that reduce aspiration'

What systems are those? Those that promote and enhance childrens development, lower risk of future poverty. Systems that promote peoples health and get them back into work so they're not off sick? Systems that hous epeople because otherwise they're homeless and destitute?

Those sort of systems?

Our country has been run into the ground on the premises of austerity and 'cutting spending'. Look where it has got us, higher crime, worse health, longer waiting lists, courts/criminal justice systems not functioning, no MH interventions, police cut to the bone, more anti social behaviour, educational falling apart.

But lets cut all that a bit more.

In no particular order:

  1. Reduce benefits significantly more. Start with cancelling PIP for eg. ADHD. £20 BILLION pounds per year just on PIP. 30-40% uk are on benefits.
  2. Increase income tax
  3. Stop illegal immigration outright. Australia managed it and so can the uk if there was a will. IT CAN BE DONE.
  4. Agree that Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) is a scandal that is being ignored, and commit to addressing it.

Labour do all of the above and I promise I’ll vote for you next time .

Arran2024 · 19/08/2025 18:59

I am in my 60s with a three bedroom house in a London suburb. We are thinking of downsizing but I was told by an estate agent that it will cost me £65k to move - that's stamp duty on the new property, estate agent fees, removal fees legal fees. If I now have to pay a tax on top, that's going to be the end of that - we will stay put.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:53

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:52

I’m an Architect I’m well aware.
It doesn’t change the facts that it’s a waste of electricity if sold as a solution to over insulating a property which is then made uncomfortable to live in.

It might bring in more taxes on extra materials and provide more builders more profit and work but it raises the countries electricity usage and is not good for the environment.

With good design there is no need.

Clearly we have a different take on a healthy living environment for people and buildings.

So are you arguing that passivhaus is not a good design?

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:52

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:47

You don't need to be amazed because the electricity consumption for my 5-bed house is the equivalent of the average one bed flat. Perhaps you don't understand how modern MVHR technologies work to reduce energy consumption?

I’m an Architect I’m well aware.
It doesn’t change the facts that it’s a waste of electricity if sold as a solution to over insulating a property which is then made uncomfortable to live in.

It might bring in more taxes on extra materials and provide more builders more profit and work but it raises the countries electricity usage and is not good for the environment.

With good design there is no need.

Clearly we have a different take on a healthy living environment for people and buildings.

Coatsoff42 · 19/08/2025 18:51

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:11

Wow

whats included in those service charges.

It’s a lot, but these buildings usually have a nice friendly concierge for parcels etc, and you sometimes get a daily call, plus when you are really housebound they end up being in touch with the gp or family over concerns. It’s like paying for a loose support network for isolated people.

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:49

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:48

Yes - I wonder how many people have actually read his NHS 10-year plan. It's truly frightening.

I wouldn't worry, they will be lucky to survive next 4 years, yet alone 10!

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:48

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:45

Or the fact he's part funded by private healthcare owners 🙄

Yes - I wonder how many people have actually read his NHS 10-year plan. It's truly frightening.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:47

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:43

Any additional source that uses additional electricity when taken across the U.K. housing stock is unreasonable

Residential properties should not need mechanical ventilation. They should’ve designed around that need

For someone promoting more green initiatives I’m amazed
This is not green living this is a waste of resources and should never be sold as a way forward for all housing stock.

You don't need to be amazed because the electricity consumption for my 5-bed house is the equivalent of the average one bed flat. Perhaps you don't understand how modern MVHR technologies work to reduce energy consumption?

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:45

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:44

Definitely but I wonder if the junior doctor's strike has damaged that plan. He'll be desperately trying to hide the data on the number of cancelled appointments or alternatively trying to hide the amount of money he ploughed into private services to provide cover during that period.

Or the fact he's part funded by private healthcare owners 🙄

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:44

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:44

Definitely but I wonder if the junior doctor's strike has damaged that plan. He'll be desperately trying to hide the data on the number of cancelled appointments or alternatively trying to hide the amount of money he ploughed into private services to provide cover during that period.

Well he's already fudged the figures on waiting lists hasn't he?

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:44

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:41

Definitely
I reckon Wes is just biding his time

Definitely but I wonder if the junior doctor's strike has damaged that plan. He'll be desperately trying to hide the data on the number of cancelled appointments or alternatively trying to hide the amount of money he ploughed into private services to provide cover during that period.

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:43

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:38

Our MVHR system uses very little electricity and is very cheap to run - which systems are you referring to?

Any additional source that uses additional electricity when taken across the U.K. housing stock is unreasonable

Residential properties should not need mechanical ventilation. They should’ve designed around that need

For someone promoting more green initiatives I’m amazed
This is not green living this is a waste of resources and should never be sold as a way forward for all housing stock.

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:41

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:40

I agree but I'm happy to keep up the pressure to get rid of them as soon as possible.

Definitely
I reckon Wes is just biding his time

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:40

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:37

Unfortunately this bunch seem to reward incompetence! If they were Tories, Reeves and Starmer would have been out months ago

I agree but I'm happy to keep up the pressure to get rid of them as soon as possible.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:38

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:36

Mech vent systems use electricity to run so are expensive and a waste of resources in a time when we should be cutting down . Why do you think SA is one of the highest energy users

You can’t open the windows if you’re not in the property or at night for some for security readings
Air pollution in some areas also prevents this all day

UValue rates have gone as far as they can ( if not too far considering the buildings and people’s health ) I think .

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Our MVHR system uses very little electricity and is very cheap to run - which systems are you referring to?

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 18:37

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:35

And Reeves will be gone before the end of this current term anyway - I'll give her until the end of the year at the most.

Unfortunately this bunch seem to reward incompetence! If they were Tories, Reeves and Starmer would have been out months ago

DrPrunesqualer · 19/08/2025 18:36

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:24

See above re over insulation. Even new buildings become unhealthy to live in if they are over insulated with triple glazing etc. the current Uvalues have been increasing over the last 20 years and some buildings now are becoming uncomfortable to live in in the summer

U values decrease with increasing energy efficiency. Air tight builds - if they have a high level of air tightness - have MVHR systems. These replace the air in the entire property around 12 times an hour and filter out pollutants and allergens so provide the freshest and best indoor air quality possible. They also have a summer bypass function to cool the air in the summer. Alternatively, just open a window.

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Mech vent systems use electricity to run so are expensive and a waste of resources in a time when we should be cutting down . Why do you think SA is one of the highest energy users

You can’t open the windows if you’re not in the property or at night for some for security readings
Air pollution in some areas also prevents this all day

UValue rates have gone as far as they can ( if not too far considering the buildings and people’s health ) I think .

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:35

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 19/08/2025 18:30

None of this will be a problem. Any of the proposed new housing taxes will take until the end of the decade to implement, and Reeves’ lot will not be in power to implement them. Fairly straightforward.

And Reeves will be gone before the end of this current term anyway - I'll give her until the end of the year at the most.

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 19/08/2025 18:30

None of this will be a problem. Any of the proposed new housing taxes will take until the end of the decade to implement, and Reeves’ lot will not be in power to implement them. Fairly straightforward.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/08/2025 18:24

See above re over insulation. Even new buildings become unhealthy to live in if they are over insulated with triple glazing etc. the current Uvalues have been increasing over the last 20 years and some buildings now are becoming uncomfortable to live in in the summer

U values decrease with increasing energy efficiency. Air tight builds - if they have a high level of air tightness - have MVHR systems. These replace the air in the entire property around 12 times an hour and filter out pollutants and allergens so provide the freshest and best indoor air quality possible. They also have a summer bypass function to cool the air in the summer. Alternatively, just open a window.

HostaCentral · 19/08/2025 18:23

On tax free allowances, we are already one of the most generous in Europe on that count. The general consensus being that if everyone contributes something towards the pot, you feel part of society?? No-one is brave enough to try, but you could have a low flat tax on every pound earned and probably have a higher tax take. Just one tax, rolled up, none of this NI ridiculousness, which is actually just general tax. One rate, payable by all, on all income.

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