To wonder what’s going on with all the big lips

Actually I’ve always thought drag queen.

the massive lips with lipstick outside the lines, huge eyelashes, heavy contouring, heavy make up- have we entered some parallel universe where young women’s beauty ideas are being inspired by men made up as women?

Yes that! Ha ha but also a bit transy?

It’s a bit of a pet interest of mine, obviously, because I use facial movement to “hear”.

if you watch the vast majority of actresses foreheads do not move. At all. Not a crease or a wrinkle.

they may have some of it “relaxed” for tfilming but it’s entirely normal now.

go back and watch film and tv from the 80’s and it’s quite a shock to see women- and men too tbh - frowning, showing surprise etc and watching the forehead wrinkles appear. Plus their top lips move as well- films with smoking in! I wonder if actresses with Botox and filler can smoke? Would their mouths be able to make the small o shape?

it’s quite fascinating 😂

Sex dolls? I don't like to put words in your mouth, but that's certainly what I think when I see the pumped-lips-with-false-eyelash-and-contouring look.

I don’t think lips with filler in them look remotely like naturally full lips either. The latter looks lovely, but it's not something you can emulate and fake.

I've been to see the nurse today at the GP practice for my asthma review. She's very slim, tanned with highlighted hair, eyelashes like a camel, Scouse brows and long plastic fingernails. No lip fillers though. I don't want to see them next visit. My dental hygienist is similar. Not my doctor or dentist though.

I did read that some actresses time their Botox injections around filming so they can show the required emotions then immediately get frozen again before the wrinkles turn up.

Exactly. I’d make a guess that the demographic which favours the over-pumped lips, caterpillar eyebrows and Turkey teeth is mostly not an educated or privileged group.

@Feelinglost10 but this plastic fantastic look is only considered 'beautiful' among a certain sub-set of women. You very rarely see female student doctors, or barristers doing their pupillage with this sort of 'look'. Neither do you really see these sort of faces on the covers of true high fashion magazines.

Is the same difference between a white Range Rover Evoque with private plate and an Aston Martin Vantage.

@Feelinglost10 but this plastic fantastic look is only considered 'beautiful' among a certain sub-set of women. You very rarely see female student doctors, or barristers doing their pupillage with this sort of 'look'. Neither do you really see these sort of faces on the covers of true high fashion magazines.

Is the same difference between a white Range Rover Evoque with private plate and an Aston Martin Vantage.

Beauty is subjective of course. But I think that fifteen years in the profession have warped your idea of what truly ‘beautiful’ might be. Your misogynistic talk of plain Janes and frumpy women suggests a degree of brainwashing by the sexist industry, and you now view a more natural look with contempt. Which is pretty sad.

You are the one running down women here. Other people are largely critiquing the industry and the pressure on women to look a certain way. It’s worth considering whether you are part of the problem.

Btw I am in my mid fifties, love style and fashion, and still look pretty damn good, with no ‘work’. You can choose not to believe me ;-)

Oh I’ve seen many a thread on here with negative opinions on women’s “natural” look.

body hair? Disgusting, dirty and unhygienic.
no make up- looks tired and ill
untidy eyebrows, manicured nails- not taking care of yourself.

etc etc. you only need to read the threads on Pamela Anderson.

if we really thought it looked good, there’d be no need to be jealous, we’d all just go and get it done. It’s easily available, I could nip down a salon tomorrow. There’s always people wanting “ models” on my local fb page, so it’s not a shortage of options.

i don’t like it. So I don’t get it done. Not going to say it looks good though, and I have a suspicion long term we will see consequences.

even those who think it’s “subtle” and “enhancing”. It’s not. It makes your mouth move differently and I, as a lip reader, can always tell.

Jealousy? 😜 They look like clowns 🤡

Yes absolutely!! No one thinks it looks good, it makes women look like clones, or worse which I wont say.

@Tabitha005

Quite!

The trope that all criticism must be due to jealousy is very tiresome, and tells you a lot about the person who thinks it does!

I agree some of the poutier ones are really unnatural and gross looking I know they get thinner as we age what happened to simply using lip liner sometimes it’s like a disfigurement
and probably needs redone more often as you age
what happened to growing old gracefully?

To assume women express opinions on other women purely because they’re ‘insecure’ is also assuming the women having the opinions passed on them believe they have something about them that incites insecurity in other women… which is pretty vain.

As you’ve explicitly said above: ‘… A beautiful woman certainly doesn’t care what another less beautiful woman looks like…’ - is the apparently ‘more beautiful woman’ knowingly imagining herself as being the ‘more beautiful’? Surely that’s the ultimate definition of one woman passing judgement on another woman, isn’t it?!

The fact women have opinions on ANYTHING but the ONLY thing we’re supposed NOT to express an opinion on - according to many women - is what other women look like is self-defeating: it’s only by forming, developing and debating opinions on one another’s looks, personal style and aesthetic choices that fashion and, indeed, fashions exist at all.

@Feelinglost10

Also - we just don’t know what the longterm effects will be of injecting all kinds of weird gunk (and botulism bacteria) into our bodies. I wouldn’t risk it.

Some procedures turn out to have dangerous side-effects which only manifest years later. That’s why pharmaceuticals take so long to develop because of th3 years of testing. But the beauty (so called!) industry is notoriously unregulated and there are some very dodgy practitioners out there.

I think it’s a worry, and I assure you from the bottom of my heart that I am NOT jealous of anyone sporting rubbery, blubbery lips and all the side-dishes that go with it!

Not always.

Speaking for myself I see lovely young women mutilating their unique faces to conform to what I (as a pretty traditional person) sees as artificial , plastic, fake, generic and sometimes downright dangerous look. It genuinely upsets me.

You may have nice tasteful treatments and just be enhancing your natural beauty, as some pps on here have said. That’s totally different from the examples I’ve seen in real life and on the net.

I don’t know if it’s generational or just personal, but to me to be beautiful you need to look natural. That’s totally different doesn’t rule out tweakments, but they need to be subtly enhancing. What is new about this extreme look is that the fakeness seems to be the whole point,

I know. Overweight Plain Jane indeed, it says a lot about the person who says these things.

@Feelinglost10 It seems that you think the posters here are driven to criticise the look by jealousy, but you're missing an important point: WE DON'T THINK IT LOOKS GOOD!

I didn’t say women who haven’t had things done are those things. I said those women exist in the world too and you can guarantee people who have had work done aren’t looking at them judging.

And what are you basing that “wrong” opinion on? I see about 50 clients a week so my opinion is based on quite a high rate of factual evidence. Tell me, what’s you career that you base your opinion on?

Ok but how would you feel if you saw these women writing about the table next to them had a over weight plain Jane frumpy house wife on it that couldn’t stop staring at them (not saying that’s what you look like) It works both ways. How someone else looks DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. I find it so weird this is meant to be a site of supporting women yet the majority are intent on bringing women down for what they do with their own bodies.

Worked in the beauty industry for a very very long time and it’s definitely true. For a woman to be commenting on the appearance of another woman it’s insecurities and nothing else. A beautiful woman certainly doesn’t care what another less beautiful woman looks like as she is already confident she has nothing that that woman desires physically