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Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:36

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

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Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:46

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:41

Multiple stores across the country was what I had in mind, dedicated to the clothing needs of trans people.

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There are plenty of those. And plenty of those online. But the trans-identified men don't want that. They want our spaces.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:44

mamagogo1 · 18/08/2025 19:36

@TurkeyTwizlers

sone men may have a fetish for dressing in women’s clothing but there are others who are trans for other reasons. Some provision is needed

Why? Why is "some provision" needed? And if it is, why can't they have their own spaces?

Oh yes, I just remembered. Because they demand the validation of being in actual women's spaces.

DiscoBob · 18/08/2025 19:44

I think it's fine to say only bio women can use the service and also work on that department.
It's not fair on female staff to have to do bra fittings on men. And men can't work there so they can't use it either.

Noelshighflyingturds · 18/08/2025 19:44

CatamaranViper · 18/08/2025 18:56

Having never undergone breast enhancement surgery, I presume when you do they tell you what bra size you will have after since you "buy" a certain cupsize and I just presume they will measure you as part of the surgery? So in theory, transwomen won't need to get measured as they will know what size they are? Unless I suppose they gain or lose a large amount of weight.

Most of them haven’t gone gone any Surgery and don’t actually have any tits
They just want a 46 inch chest bar to be made for them in a frilly pink fabric Which will be incredibly uncomfortable and not to make them look like a woman

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 19:43

Muffinmam · 18/08/2025 19:12

So he is a child predator and attempted to assault a child. Why isn’t he facing charges???

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I never said that.

men approaching unaccompanied children for no good reason is a red flag,
don’t you believe in safeguarding? If not, why not.

if men need bras well they can sort out a separate service away from women’s changing room and female staff. Simple

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:43

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:41

Multiple stores across the country was what I had in mind, dedicated to the clothing needs of trans people.

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Wouldn't be profitable because there aren't enough of them.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:42

KilkennyCats · 18/08/2025 19:41

Why do you think transwomen (who are biologically male) need bra fittings, op?
They either have no boobs, or surgically constructed boobs in which case they’ll know their dimensions perfectly well.

Some of them use estrogen to grow their breasts, so it's not always the case. However, the average woman's bra isn't going to be a good fit in that scenario because men's chests are generally broader. Actually, that's true of implants too. They sit differently because men's bodies are different.

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:41

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/08/2025 19:39

Just one store, in the whole country?

Hmm.

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Multiple stores across the country was what I had in mind, dedicated to the clothing needs of trans people.

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KilkennyCats · 18/08/2025 19:41

Why do you think transwomen (who are biologically male) need bra fittings, op?
They either have no boobs, or surgically constructed boobs in which case they’ll know their dimensions perfectly well.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/08/2025 19:39

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:48

Point taken about the wrong question. I think trans women should have a specialist bra fitting service, carried out by other trans women in a dedicated store or at home.

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Just one store, in the whole country?

Hmm.

lifeturnsonadime · 18/08/2025 19:38

mamagogo1 · 18/08/2025 19:36

@TurkeyTwizlers

sone men may have a fetish for dressing in women’s clothing but there are others who are trans for other reasons. Some provision is needed

Not in women's single sex spaces.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:38

mamagogo1 · 18/08/2025 19:36

@TurkeyTwizlers

sone men may have a fetish for dressing in women’s clothing but there are others who are trans for other reasons. Some provision is needed

Yes, but I bet they won't be happy if the provision comes in the form of a man. Or even a transwoman. It's all about getting women involved.

AnSolas · 18/08/2025 19:37

StMarie4me · 18/08/2025 19:02

It is sexualising a thing that should not be sexualised.
So while you’re doing that, will the fitters have to prove their sexuality? As a gay woman should not be doing a bra fitting if it’s sexualised in this way.

How will M&S prove the biological sex of their customers?

As Alan Cummings has said; why would anyone pretend to be trans to attack women, when trans women are treated worse than sexual assaulters in this world now.

Why should M&S have to do anything to prove the sex of their customers?

Wild idea.

If you are male dont ask any woman who you dont know who happens to work in a shop to touch your body without making it clear that you are male.

And if its man working do the exact same thing.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:36

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:35

It's because of trans activism that it affects 51% of the population. If biological men were not militantly invading women's spaces, there would be no need for the discourse.

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We're in agreement there!

mamagogo1 · 18/08/2025 19:36

@TurkeyTwizlers

sone men may have a fetish for dressing in women’s clothing but there are others who are trans for other reasons. Some provision is needed

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:35

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:32

It affects 51 percent of the population in a variety of situations, from bra fittings to rape crisis centres, so it merits a whole lot os public space if you ask me.

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It's because of trans activism that it affects 51% of the population. If biological men were not militantly invading women's spaces, there would be no need for the discourse.

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JayniSummers · 18/08/2025 19:34

PringlesTube · 18/08/2025 18:53

This is more to do with a bloke calling himself Sophie Molly who has booked himself a bra fitting and is insisting he’s still going even now m&s have clearly stated their rules.

This .

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:32

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:28

The news reports don't need to mention the mother, in that case. THIS making appointments as you describe is yet one more illustration that the trans issu is going to take up more public space than it merits.

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It affects 51 percent of the population in a variety of situations, from bra fittings to rape crisis centres, so it merits a whole lot os public space if you ask me.

AnSolas · 18/08/2025 19:31

BloodandGlitter · 18/08/2025 19:00

The person (That nobody knows if they were actually a trans person) approached and offered directions to the correct department. M&S shouldn't be apologising for a staff member doing their job. The mother is an anti trans activist its pretty obvious this was set up from the beginning.

That is not what M&S said

A staff member who is male went up to a 14 year old girl in the underwear department.

She was shopping in the correct department and not looking for help from staff.

The male began speaking to the 14 year old girl.

She had not spoken to him before this exchange.

The girls mother voiced her concerns to management.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:30

myplace · 18/08/2025 19:27

Does no one remember transvestites?

I’m astounded.

Yes, now under the trans umbrellas, according to Stonewall, of course.

We also seem to have forgotten that crossdressing used to be considered (by law enforcement) a red flag. Men who commit sexual crimes, and serial killers, have a much higher incidence of crossdressing than other groups. But apparently, it's all fine, and no man would ever exploit trans loopholes or act out their fetish on unsuspecting women just going about their days.

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:28

Tippexy · 18/08/2025 19:17

M&S’s response isn’t in relation to this incident.

It’s been prompted by a number of TIW making ‘bra fitting’ appointments in the stores over the past few days. They’re all at it on Twitter sharing their confirmation emails, and getting quite excited at the idea of a woman measuring them for a bra and going along with their opinion that they need one.

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The news reports don't need to mention the mother, in that case. THIS making appointments as you describe is yet one more illustration that the trans issu is going to take up more public space than it merits.

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myplace · 18/08/2025 19:27

Does no one remember transvestites?

I’m astounded.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:21

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:19

Yep. Even if it isn't a fetish (which it definitely is for some of these guys who've been posting with glee), the women fitting those bras are still being used as props, aren't they?

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Of course. To help the trans-identified men to feel "cute".

IShouldNotCoco · 18/08/2025 19:21

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 18:41

That member of staff wasn’t even working in that department, and then approached an unaccompanied minor.

Who do you suggest does these bra fittings on these men. We also don’t want men in our changing rooms. Maybe they can offer the same service in the men’s department, apparently all staff are trained in bra fitting so there should be male staff who could do that.
Not allowing men into women’s changing room is not discriminating them BTW.

Well said 👏👏👏👏

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:19

Tippexy · 18/08/2025 19:17

M&S’s response isn’t in relation to this incident.

It’s been prompted by a number of TIW making ‘bra fitting’ appointments in the stores over the past few days. They’re all at it on Twitter sharing their confirmation emails, and getting quite excited at the idea of a woman measuring them for a bra and going along with their opinion that they need one.

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Yep. Even if it isn't a fetish (which it definitely is for some of these guys who've been posting with glee), the women fitting those bras are still being used as props, aren't they?

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