Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

You're actually ridiculous.

And ageist.

And sexist.

And a poor writer. I'll take a guess, do you self publish shit novels by any chance?

And sex is immutable and binary. However much foot stamping there is by reality denying women haters.

Soz.

Men don't need bras

wtf are you on about? 🤔

Are you drunk?

Excuse me for those cheap shots about wine and menopause.

The truth is, if you introspected even for one second, what you’d see would terrify you to the brink of insanity: a worldview so fragile it crumbles under scrutiny, propped up by denial and deflection. You’re not protectors of truth; you’re gatekeepers of stagnation, too scared to face a world that’s moved beyond your rigid binaries. Sorry Mabel, I had to say it.

It's extraordinary

Wow, this just reeks of misogyny.

Why do you hate women so much?

Sometimes, you read something, and the 'every accusation is an admission' saying feels like it is a good fit.

Wow, totally changed my mind now after that rational and well thought out argument

Ooh, a scold... what fun!

Alan Cumming is fully TWAW. Did you see that nauseating clip of him recently on a US TV show, telling the world how special and magical trans people are 🙄

Alan Cummings obviously has no idea how far certain men will go, not just to attack us, but to humiliate, upset, see us naked, hang out with us like one of the girls, grope us and well the list goes on. It’s apparent how unsympathetic gay men in particular have been, I guess because they’re not so harassed by straight men as we are.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1816266309555884491.html

'(Fair warning: this is a long one, even for me.)

For anyone who doesn’t know, I’m a law enforcement officer with experience investigating both homicides and sex crimes.

When I was a rookie in 2007, there was a clear understanding that crossdressing men in women’s spaces were often there for sexual reasons...'

Continues in link above.

Some transwomen attack women and girls just like some men do because transwomen are men.
Look up Amy George and Katie Dawalski for example

No, because he worked in the homeware section.

Why are some posters so intent on excusing this predatory behaviour at all costs?

When is it ok for a man to ask a 14 year girl who he never met before about her underwear?

What if the trans woman is post op and needs a bra then?

Actually at M&S you have to book a bra fitting, so the trans person saying do you need a bra fitting never meant they would be the one offering the service. Just potentially booking it in.

@IdaGlossop that's not what happened.
The male member of staff worked in the homeware department and went up to what he thought was an unaccompanied 14 year old girl in the lingerie department when she was looking at bras, she was not there for a fitting, this man decided to then ask this girl if she need his help.
Now as we all know no staff approach customers in M&S and no man should be trying to discuss bras with a girl he doesn't know, also he was not working in the lingerie department. This was an inappropriate creepy man with questionable behaviour at work the fact that hes trans is irrelevant its the fact that hes male that's the problem.
M&S spectacularly mishandled the mothers valid complaint about the man in questions behaviour and things blew up in their faces. Then after a really dodgy transwomen (so dodgy that the Scottish greens kicked him out of the party) booked himself a bra fitting and publicised it online M&S have chosen to exclude all men from both fitting bras on women or being fitted by female staff.
May I suggest that you look at any media outlet other than pink news if you want any accurate information about this incident or 1 of the many threads about this that are already running

Tape measure? Seems a perfectly simple solution. Measure your own boobs and order from Amazon.

Why are you so obsessed with how the poor fake boobied men are going to manage if they gain weight?
Why not have some empathy with the women having to change in the adjoining cubicle, or the young girls having to avoid being measured by biological males claiming they’re female?

So he can go online and order the right size, can't he?

Eh? I know what those numbers refer to.

Absolutely. Specialised services are no good, they want unwilling women in the general space to participate as validation props and a woman to do the fitting, getting off on the fact she has to touch them, and can't say no if she wants to keep her job.

If you had a woman bra fitter who had absolutely no issue, happy to fit their bras a plenty, in a specialised service, just for them - nah. It would be like that time a trans swimming race category was introduced and they had fuck all entries.