Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

@IdaGlossop they don’t want a dedicated space & specialist fitting service. They want to go into the women’s changing room.

I’m so sorry for the impact this unbelievably destructive policy has had on your family.

I read somewhere about the power of fetishes on men and how they become all encompassing as the need for boundary transgression escalates.

I’m so glad you could help your younger son and I hope your older son finds treatment one day that will help him and maybe bring him back to you. In the meantime we do what we can and raise awareness of this insidious darkness in society and push those in power to deal with it.

I remain gobsmacked at the women determined to defend these men and their behaviour. They are a major part of the problem imo.

Biological women shouldn't be expected to fit bras on men, nor should they be expected to have a bra fitting conducted by a man. It's very simple

Oh sweet summer child.

Not only do I know some men who identify as trans for fetish purposes, but I have done the thing that many trans activists urge us to do and listen to trans people. You wouldn’t believe what they tell us about the array of fetishes.

It may not be intentional in all cases but it’s there.

My adult son claims to be trans, is currently in prison for 2 years for illegal images, meaning he broke his SHPO. The SHPO that he got 5 years ago age 18 from being a porn addicted fetishisist that was (very sadly) groomed online as a teenager by other porn addicted fetishists. He also groomed and corrupted his younger brother who also believes he is now a woman despite wearing exclusively male clothes and doing absolutely nothing that could be considered typically female or feminine in nature. Thankfully we/the police stepped in before the younger one was complicit in any illegal activities and he’s fine now. But please, don’t you dare tell me that rampant sexual fetish and male entitlement has nothing to do with transgenderism.

You have zero idea about the harm that transgenderism causes as the skinny end of the wedge. Behind the scenes within families, to children and loved ones. You can’t even begin to grasp the selfishness that one man’s need for validation and sexual satisfaction can cause to the people around them. It’s not dropping a pebble in a pretty pond and watching the ripples gently spread. It’s like dropping a hand grenade into a fish tank. It destroys the tank. Then within a few seconds it kills the fish, shreds the plants. Within a few hours its destroyed the floors. Then you have damp and mould for months. It’s destruction in the name of self serving satisfaction that benefits ONE PERSON and destroys everybody around them. So fuck off with your bullshit.

Park life!

I had a middle aged man wearing a pink crop tshirt sitting in my living room telling me he’s actually a teenage girl doing through puberty. It absolutely is a fetish.

1. the employee shouldn't have been in that section, he was assigned to another floor

2. he approached the girl when he thought she was on her own

3. it is never any man's job to approach a lone girl, unprompted in the lingerie department when shopping for bras. If you think it is, that's a red flag on you also.

But what is "trans"?

You see the trouble with pushing for a philosophical system whereby anybody can "identify" as anything, and by doing so become that thing, is that definitions get blurred beyond the point where they have any meaning. So of course a man who is an AGP - which may not be what you understand as "trans" - can identify as trans. And in the system that you promote, "identifying as" equals being (viz "Trans women are women").

Ergo AGPs are trans, ergo (some) trans people are AGPs.

QED. Do you see the problem now?

The male has no reason to believe the 14 year old girl was lost as she was in the correct location to purchase the items of underwear that she was looking for.

As the 14 year old girl was in the underwear department it is not appropiate for a male stranger to offer her help in underwear selection. That applies even if the male is employed by M&S

Are U on some goooood drugs or wat?

Sure you are. I believe that you believe that.

I am just so pleased that this is in AIBU and not hidden in the naughty corner 👏

Actually, it might be a bit of spoken word, open mic type stuff - beat poet style.

(Fingers clicking) Malbec. Men.o.pause. They scream....into the void. Children weep. Time turns.

(Blows out candle a la Charlie MacKenzie)

Ummm.. you ok hun? Have you tried a nice cup of tea and a sticky bun?

M&S policy is not to approach, this has been covered many times.

If he knew her mum was there why not speak to the adult then, rather than the child. Adult men should not be approaching children without good reason, especially in a lingerie department. The fact he had a skirt and lipstick on does not change that.
Safeguarding policies and acceptable behaviour are there for good reason.

So you haven’t read the thread or any articles about it (apart from the one where the man claims he was the member of staff and did nothing wrong).

It appeared to him that the teen was on her own because her mum was not in sight and he apparently disappeared rapidly when she turned up. He approached the girl who was not remotely lost seeing as she was in the bra section with the aim of buying a bra. 🤷‍♀️

What’s that saying? Every accusation is a confession.

Keep going - you’re coming through loud and clear. 👍

"Menopause and Malbec" perhaps?

*Handmaiden actually.

The employee was walking past and asked if the teen needed any help as she looked a bit lost - you know - doing what any shop assistant should do. She was with her mum so hardly unaccompanied

It's actually a shame Jimbly's post has been deleted. Remember folks, Operation Let Them Speak is always the best sunlight for widespread peaking!

Ooh, I wonder what Jimbly's shit self published novel is called?

Dude, isn't there an incel website somewhere which is missing your presence? Next time you leave the basement, maybe ask your mum to explain basic biology to you.

What, you want me to write an EL James passage for you? I got my point across. Bye.