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Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:36

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

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Namelessnelly · 18/08/2025 18:48

ForCraftyWriter · 18/08/2025 18:42

Have m&s said that bra fitters must be biological women only?
If not then they have very much missed the mark

They have said that yes.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 18:47

I actually don't think a woman should have to fit a bra for a man. It's a matter of consent. Of course, some women might be fine with doing so, and that's fine, I suppose, but I don't think female members of staff should have to touch a male body as part of their job if they don't want to. It's not what they'll have signed up for.

lifeturnsonadime · 18/08/2025 18:47

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

No it isn't - you must think we were born yesterday.

Debbie Hayton is a man who identifies as a trans woman who has been clear about AGP and what led him to claim to be a woman.

https://debbiehayton.com/agp/

AGP

Autogynephilia Autogynephilia – “a male’s propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female”. (Ray Blanchard, 1989) Work by me Work by others The concept of …

https://debbiehayton.com/agp/

DancingNotDrowning · 18/08/2025 18:47

female bra fitters absolutely must not feel compelled to perform bra fittings for men, regardless of their identity.

if there is a demand M&S could employ men to perform bra fittings for men, but is suspect there wouldn’t be much uptake

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 18:46

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

You don’t believe there are any men who dress up as women as a fetish? None.
where have you been living your whole life.

lifeturnsonadime · 18/08/2025 18:44

ForCraftyWriter · 18/08/2025 18:42

Have m&s said that bra fitters must be biological women only?
If not then they have very much missed the mark

From the article in the OP

“Our bra-fitting service has been developed for our female customers and all our bra fitters are female,” a spokesperson told The Scottish Sun. That meant “biological females”, they said.

J.K. Rowling at the premiere of Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore.

M&S clarifies bra fittings after teen 'freaked out' by trans staff at Scots shop

MARKS & Spencer has confirmed their bra fitting service is for customers and staff who are “biological” women after a transgender row at a Scots store, it can be revealed. It comes amid the bac…

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15222575/ms-bra-fittings-teen-freaked-out-trans-worker-scots/

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

WimbledonWhites · 18/08/2025 18:43

He wasn’t deployed in the lingerie department. I think it’s right that female staff shouldn’t have to fit bras for AGP men.

ForCraftyWriter · 18/08/2025 18:42

Have m&s said that bra fitters must be biological women only?
If not then they have very much missed the mark

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 18:41

That member of staff wasn’t even working in that department, and then approached an unaccompanied minor.

Who do you suggest does these bra fittings on these men. We also don’t want men in our changing rooms. Maybe they can offer the same service in the men’s department, apparently all staff are trained in bra fitting so there should be male staff who could do that.
Not allowing men into women’s changing room is not discriminating them BTW.

lifeturnsonadime · 18/08/2025 18:41

Do you know what? I don't think a female member of staff should have to do a bra fitting for a man, no matter what body modifications he's performed on himself.

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

So your AIBU is incomplete and asks the wrong question. Women should be protected from being involved in validating male identities whether they (the women) are staff or customers.

Well done M&S.

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