Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

The person (That nobody knows if they were actually a trans person) approached and offered directions to the correct department. M&S shouldn't be apologising for a staff member doing their job. The mother is an anti trans activist its pretty obvious this was set up from the beginning.

Oh, you'll get in trouble for that! There are only 'real' TIMs.

Generally, the men take oestrogen and get man boobs.

ETA: Plus, also, they want the validation from being measured in a Laydeez department for laydeez things.

The point is that it COULD be a fetish, and how is anyone supposed to know who is being ‘real’ and who is a fetishist?
’Real’ trans women should understand this and not push their ‘rights’ ahead of the poor staff just trying to do their jobs without being used for someone’s sexual gratification.

Having never undergone breast enhancement surgery, I presume when you do they tell you what bra size you will have after since you "buy" a certain cupsize and I just presume they will measure you as part of the surgery? So in theory, transwomen won't need to get measured as they will know what size they are? Unless I suppose they gain or lose a large amount of weight.

Yes. When you're too much of a loon for even the Scottish Greens, there's something very wrong.

A dedicated trans bra fitting service can rightfully be carried out by anyone of any sex or persuasion since they know and have chosen what they are signing up for. It wouldn’t need to be trans fitters this is just strange.

Tbh, there are already plenty of specialists who'll fit a gentleman for a bra, help with make up, wigs, clothes & styling, & generally provide an enjoyable experience for the sort of chap who likes that sort of thing.

M&S may feel this is a useful addition to their portfolio of services, in which case they can provide it separately to the women's underwear department, or they may feel it's not a good look. That's a business decision for them, balancing the optics & the likely opinions of their core demographics.

Their statement here is encouraging, but we'll see.

Oh god, him 🙄One of the looniest of the TRAs, and that's saying something.

Thank god their time is past going.

Oh my goodness.

He's got serious mental health problems wasn't he the Scottish Green candidate who got suspended by them?

Something to do with pictures half naked with nipple clamps?

I do wish he'd leave women alone. I hope he gets banned from M&S for harassment.

I mean, it's certainly a fetish for the likes of Sophie Molly, who has booked a bra fitting and plans to take many photos of the experience to post online (this is a transwoman who has already posted fetishistic pictures of themself online). Imagine being the woman doing his bra fitting.

This is more to do with a bloke calling himself Sophie Molly who has booked himself a bra fitting and is insisting he’s still going even now m&s have clearly stated their rules.

Well it's a good job no one said it is a fetish for all trans women then.

No woman should have to do a bra fitting for men regardless of their motives.

The fact that you have lovely trans friends does not mean that men with fetishes/ agp do not exist.

We literally know they do.

They tell us, they write about it. They parade it on social media.

@hiintrepidheroesOh, and most regular, non-trans men I know are lovely people just living their lives, and not hurting women, but we still don't let them in women's spaces, do we?

100% this.

consent matters. And if a woman doesn't want to measure and fit a male for a bra then that's absolutely fine, and should be respected.

They're stil men, though. However they wish to identify.

They're hurting women by being in their spaces and taking their resources. Granted, not all women will be hurt by their presence, but a lot will, and since those spaces were set up for biological women, it's not really fair, is it?

There is no such thing as "trans women". They are trans-identified men. And no, they should not be having bra fittings in the same changing room as women. Or tending to women and girls having bra fittings.

Yes, fully agree.

That would be a grand idea and I assume very welcome. Or maybe they could search online as there are wants to measure for bras yourself. But a dedicated service would be great

Bra fitting should be carried out by a person who is the same biological sex as the customer in a changing room designated for that sex .

I have spoken and interacted with several trans women, they are living their life and it’s nothing to do with fetish.

There might be some, but most are doing nothing to hurt women. It is insulting to say it’s a fetish and incorrect.

But it shouldn't happen in a woman's single sex space as a female member of staff cannot consent on the behalf of other women.

She can, of course, do this as a specialist service in the men's fitting rooms.