Page 10 | Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

Brefugee · 18/08/2025 19:19

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:13

In what way?

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men who say they are women (aka transwomen) don't want bra fittings or anything else in a 3rd space. They want women to be forced to entertain them in their spaces.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:18

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:13

Having only read the Pink News article, there was no conflation. The Scottish Sun article also mentions that only biological women will do bra fittings,

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Oh do you mean YABU = Banning trans women from DOING bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

Anyway, there's no such thing as a "trans" woman. There are women, and men, and men who identify as women, and women who identify as men.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:18

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:13

Having only read the Pink News article, there was no conflation. The Scottish Sun article also mentions that only biological women will do bra fittings,

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Whatever side of the debate you fall on, Pink News are a terrible source if you want actual facts, unfortunately.

Tippexy · 18/08/2025 19:17

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:36

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

M&S’s response isn’t in relation to this incident.

It’s been prompted by a number of TIW making ‘bra fitting’ appointments in the stores over the past few days. They’re all at it on Twitter sharing their confirmation emails, and getting quite excited at the idea of a woman measuring them for a bra and going along with their opinion that they need one.

Kreepture · 18/08/2025 19:15

m&S are shit at bra fitting.

not that that's the point, i'm aware, but they're absolutely useless and there are much better places to get fitted than there with their hasbeen, ,going out of style, shockingly expensive, uncomfortable shite bra offerings.

I have trans friends, and i think they should boycott the place, it's shit and i haven't recommended it to a single one.

WimbledonWhites · 18/08/2025 19:14

BloodandGlitter · 18/08/2025 19:00

The person (That nobody knows if they were actually a trans person) approached and offered directions to the correct department. M&S shouldn't be apologising for a staff member doing their job. The mother is an anti trans activist its pretty obvious this was set up from the beginning.

No the girl and her mum were in the right department for what they wanted. The person (who didn’t work in that department) approached the girl offering her help.

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:13

Brefugee · 18/08/2025 19:13

you haven't been paying attention, have you?

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In what way?

OP posts:

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IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 19:13

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:07

YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

You are conflating two things here, OP.

I know, I know, I shouldn't expect these people to make sense

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Having only read the Pink News article, there was no conflation. The Scottish Sun article also mentions that only biological women will do bra fittings,

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Brefugee · 18/08/2025 19:13

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:48

Point taken about the wrong question. I think trans women should have a specialist bra fitting service, carried out by other trans women in a dedicated store or at home.

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you haven't been paying attention, have you?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/08/2025 19:12

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

I had a middle aged man sitting in my living room in a pink crop top telling me he's actually a teenage girl. It very much is a fetish for some of not all.

Muffinmam · 18/08/2025 19:12

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 18:41

That member of staff wasn’t even working in that department, and then approached an unaccompanied minor.

Who do you suggest does these bra fittings on these men. We also don’t want men in our changing rooms. Maybe they can offer the same service in the men’s department, apparently all staff are trained in bra fitting so there should be male staff who could do that.
Not allowing men into women’s changing room is not discriminating them BTW.

So he is a child predator and attempted to assault a child. Why isn’t he facing charges???

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:10

GiantTeddyIsTired · 18/08/2025 19:08

This is from someone who's clearly not read the M&S reviews for lacy knickers.

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God, I had forgot about those!

I also seem to remember women finding knickers in M&S that had clearly been wanked in. But sure, it's not a fetish.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:10

StMarie4me · 18/08/2025 19:02

It is sexualising a thing that should not be sexualised.
So while you’re doing that, will the fitters have to prove their sexuality? As a gay woman should not be doing a bra fitting if it’s sexualised in this way.

How will M&S prove the biological sex of their customers?

As Alan Cummings has said; why would anyone pretend to be trans to attack women, when trans women are treated worse than sexual assaulters in this world now.

As Alan Cummings clearly isn't intelligent enough to realise or maybe has an ageanda, it is not just about being "attacked". It is about having dignity and privacy and having a space away from the opposite sex.

bunsnroses1 · 18/08/2025 19:09

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

I suggest you do some reading around AGP. These men are literally masturbating in public places, but we’re all supposed to ‘be kind’?

GiantTeddyIsTired · 18/08/2025 19:08

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:44

Especially when we know that for many men who identify as trans women it is literally a fetish.

This is absolute rubbish and shows you’ve never met or spoken to anyone who is trans.

This is from someone who's clearly not read the M&S reviews for lacy knickers.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:07

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:36

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

You are conflating two things here, OP.

I know, I know, I shouldn't expect these people to make sense

Hoppinggreen · 18/08/2025 19:07

Swiftie1878 · 18/08/2025 18:58

The point is that it COULD be a fetish, and how is anyone supposed to know who is being ‘real’ and who is a fetishist?
’Real’ trans women should understand this and not push their ‘rights’ ahead of the poor staff just trying to do their jobs without being used for someone’s sexual gratification.

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I have never been bitten by a dog.
I have spent time with many dogs, I know quite a few well.
That does not mean that no dog will ever bite me so I take precautions to ensure I am not in a situation where a dog is likely to bite me - especially a large dog that could do me serious harm if it wanted to.
You can never be completely sure which dogs are dangerous and which are friendly so its a good idea to not put yourself in a position where you could be attacked.

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:06

StMarie4me · 18/08/2025 19:02

It is sexualising a thing that should not be sexualised.
So while you’re doing that, will the fitters have to prove their sexuality? As a gay woman should not be doing a bra fitting if it’s sexualised in this way.

How will M&S prove the biological sex of their customers?

As Alan Cummings has said; why would anyone pretend to be trans to attack women, when trans women are treated worse than sexual assaulters in this world now.

Yes, because a lesbian fitting another woman's bra is totally the same as a paraphilic man forcing a woman to measure his "breasts". Or, you know it's not.

Bigcat25 · 18/08/2025 19:06

IdaGlossop · 18/08/2025 18:48

Point taken about the wrong question. I think trans women should have a specialist bra fitting service, carried out by other trans women in a dedicated store or at home.

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Unless they've had implants the cut/sizing/products that will fit the majority of transwomen are different from most of the traditional merch anyway.

TurkeyTwizlers · 18/08/2025 19:05

hiintrepidheroes · 18/08/2025 18:49

I have spoken and interacted with several trans women, they are living their life and it’s nothing to do with fetish.

There might be some, but most are doing nothing to hurt women. It is insulting to say it’s a fetish and incorrect.

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Only some might be fetishists then. That’s okay then.
do you actually hear yourself.

only some men are rapists, pepping Tom’s etc . It’s why we keep all of them out of women’s spaces. One is enough.

my friend works in the local court - guess what all the nice charming men who come in are there for…

NannyOf8Girls · 18/08/2025 19:04

Autogynephilia is an acknowledged psychiatric disorder where males gain sexual arousal from cross-dressing.

StMarie4me · 18/08/2025 19:02

It is sexualising a thing that should not be sexualised.
So while you’re doing that, will the fitters have to prove their sexuality? As a gay woman should not be doing a bra fitting if it’s sexualised in this way.

How will M&S prove the biological sex of their customers?

As Alan Cummings has said; why would anyone pretend to be trans to attack women, when trans women are treated worse than sexual assaulters in this world now.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:01

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:01

Most of the transwomen I know would struggle getting a women's bra to even fit because their chests are broad and their breasts are very small because they haven't had boob jobs, so apart from anything else, will they even find a bra that works for them in M&S?

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Probably not, but they'll have a lovely (for them) time trying.

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 19:01

BloodandGlitter · 18/08/2025 19:00

The person (That nobody knows if they were actually a trans person) approached and offered directions to the correct department. M&S shouldn't be apologising for a staff member doing their job. The mother is an anti trans activist its pretty obvious this was set up from the beginning.

Try and read the actual OP, maybe?

SingingintheRadiator · 18/08/2025 19:01

Charabanc · 18/08/2025 18:58

Generally, the men take oestrogen and get man boobs.

ETA: Plus, also, they want the validation from being measured in a Laydeez department for laydeez things.

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Most of the transwomen I know would struggle getting a women's bra to even fit because their chests are broad and their breasts are very small because they haven't had boob jobs, so apart from anything else, will they even find a bra that works for them in M&S?