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To seriously judge this man?

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Canyoucreateoneplease · 17/08/2025 16:11

A colleague of mine’s BIL has had an affair, got his affair partner pregnant, and is now moving to China to be with her. He’s divorcing his wife and leaving behind his three sons, who are 17, 11 and 5.

How can anyone do this? I know affairs happen and lots of people leave their partners, but how can he leave his kids? Colleague is backing him and following her DH’s line that he’s been unhappy for years and his wife is awful, which I completely believe, but leaving behind your kids? I can’t fathom how anyone could do it.

OP posts:
IfYoureLeavingTakeMeToo · 18/08/2025 10:24

OverlyFragrant · 17/08/2025 16:14

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

Completely agree

You don't know the full story

TempestTost · 18/08/2025 10:23

I also find this sort of thing flabberghasting. Not the end of the marriage, but moving away so far.

The best spin I can put on it is that he sees it as a choice between abandoning those kids or abandoning the new one. Which is certainly a difficult proposition if the new woman won't leave China.

Frankly though I think he's a fool to settle in China. I imagine a pp who says he is running away from his problems is correct.

As for the colleagues - it may be they are only supportive in a very shallow sense, because it's not a personal relationship and they don't see it as their role to be openly critical.

Livpool · 18/08/2025 10:16

Shocking! What a scumbag

Selfishshellfishies · 18/08/2025 08:52

Happens all the time. Men don't always seem to have the same emotional attachments to kids as women do - just look at how many don't pay child support. On some level he knew this was possible when having an affair so he has had months with this possibility becoming a choice, whereas it seems a shock to everyone else.

RhaenysRocks · 18/08/2025 08:51

And pins in condoms? Not desperately easy to be accurate without taking it out the packet. If the guy is really that concerned, again, keep them somewhere safe until needed.

RhaenysRocks · 18/08/2025 08:49

bumbaloo · 18/08/2025 00:03

Seriously?
why claiming she’s infertile
by claiming she’s had her tubes tied
by claiming she is on birth control

are you serious that you can not imagine any method by which a woman could intentionally get pregnant?

dem poor womenz. They can’t possibly do something like that

not being misogynist doesn’t mean taking a position that women are always in the right.

If a man is sure he does not want children he takes personal responsibility with condoms or snip. It really IS that simple.

RhaenysRocks · 18/08/2025 08:42

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 22:49

Should have stayed and fought despite the fact she told him she’d bankrupt him, her family threatened him and he almost had a breakdown? Nope, fuck that. There’s only so far you can push someone, everyone has a breaking point. You can’t blame the guy for walking away and deciding to make contact with the kids when they’re older and out of the control of this toxic woman.

Well obviously I don't know him but I think "fuck that" is unacceptable when the "that" is his children who will grow up without their father. You only get one shot at it...coming back when they're older and probably won't want to see him is a total cop out. If she's that toxic and dangerous he should be getting the kids away from her, not swanning off to a different continent.

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 18/08/2025 01:14

*newly pregnant, of course

coxesorangepippin · 18/08/2025 01:11

He'll be back in six months

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 18/08/2025 01:03

He should not be judged, poor guy. People should picture what they would say if it was a woman, nearly pregnant, moving to China with a new man abandoning his children. And treat him the same way they would treat this hypothetical woman.

VaseofViolets · 18/08/2025 00:08

Nanny0gg · 17/08/2025 23:38

On what level is abandoning your children reasonable? What further details change that?

Some women hate their ex more than they love their children, so do their utmost to drive him away.

bumbaloo · 18/08/2025 00:03

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:17

Holy internalised misogyny Batman.

How can a woman “intentionally get pregnant”? The man plays a part in conception and can avoid impregnating a woman if he really wants to.

An unplanned pregnancy can simply be an accident or carelessness.

Edited

Seriously?
why claiming she’s infertile
by claiming she’s had her tubes tied
by claiming she is on birth control

are you serious that you can not imagine any method by which a woman could intentionally get pregnant?

dem poor womenz. They can’t possibly do something like that

not being misogynist doesn’t mean taking a position that women are always in the right.

bumbaloo · 18/08/2025 00:00

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/08/2025 16:40

You have no right to judge when you don't know all the details. Simple.

Pretty easy to judge him for leaving his dc

Nanny0gg · 17/08/2025 23:38

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/08/2025 16:40

You have no right to judge when you don't know all the details. Simple.

On what level is abandoning your children reasonable? What further details change that?

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 23:31

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:27

Your friend is a trash dad and you are very gullible.

Who is my friend? I didn’t mention one.

Not gullible, just realistic. You can’t endlessly mistreat someone and expect them to keep on taking it.

MidnightMeltdown · 17/08/2025 23:28

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:17

Holy internalised misogyny Batman.

How can a woman “intentionally get pregnant”? The man plays a part in conception and can avoid impregnating a woman if he really wants to.

An unplanned pregnancy can simply be an accident or carelessness.

Edited

Oh come on you can’t be that naive. Lying about being on contraception? Pins in condoms? It’s not that difficult is it?

Not saying that that this is what she’s done, but it shouldn’t automatically be assumed that women aren’t always the innocent victims in these situations. It’s pretty difficult to get pregnant ‘by accident’ these days.

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:27

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 23:25

Ah well, we can agree to disagree then.

Some women, unfortunately, do this. Expect a man to put up with endless misery and mistreatment and they cry victim when he eventually gives up.

But the children know what their mothers are doing, and grow up to hate them for it. So it’s a massive own goal in the end.

Your friend is a trash dad and you are very gullible.

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 23:25

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:20

Yes he should have.

Imagine trying to sound the victim when you abandoned your child without even trying to gain access.

His children likely will want nothing to do with him and they would be right not to.

Edited

Ah well, we can agree to disagree then.

Some women, unfortunately, do this. Expect a man to put up with endless misery and mistreatment and they cry victim when he eventually gives up.

But the children know what their mothers are doing, and grow up to hate them for it. So it’s a massive own goal in the end.

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:25

rwalker · 17/08/2025 23:18

Too long to list but threats ,car vandalised, false claims to SS , Parental alienation calls to work police useless

as for self rep in court when they go to court and the other person doesn’t follow the court orders then you go in a massive loop back to court it’s endless .

My friend went through that with her husband. (He was the one making threats and false accusations to social services).

It never once occurred to her to just abandon her kids though.

How can you know about unfollowed
court orders when he did not even bother taking her to court?

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:20

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 22:49

Should have stayed and fought despite the fact she told him she’d bankrupt him, her family threatened him and he almost had a breakdown? Nope, fuck that. There’s only so far you can push someone, everyone has a breaking point. You can’t blame the guy for walking away and deciding to make contact with the kids when they’re older and out of the control of this toxic woman.

Yes he should have.

Imagine trying to sound the victim when you abandoned your child without even trying to gain access.

His children likely will want nothing to do with him and they would be right not to.

MuckFusk · 17/08/2025 23:19

Of course you should judge him.
What I don't understand is why you would completely believe anything a proven liar says. They always say their wives are horrible and they were unhappy, but most of the time it is the cheater who is the horrible one.

rwalker · 17/08/2025 23:18

RhaenysRocks · 17/08/2025 22:34

So he should have stayed and fought. You can self rep in family court and get the police involved if he's being threatened. Deciding it's too hard and leaving his kids with someone who is so unstable and dangerous HE ran away from her is not covering himself in glory.

Too long to list but threats ,car vandalised, false claims to SS , Parental alienation calls to work police useless

as for self rep in court when they go to court and the other person doesn’t follow the court orders then you go in a massive loop back to court it’s endless .

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:17

MidnightMeltdown · 17/08/2025 21:59

That sounds a bit suspect. Some women intentionally get pregnant to try to keep a man. That sort deserve to be cheated on. Never the fault of the children of course.

Holy internalised misogyny Batman.

How can a woman “intentionally get pregnant”? The man plays a part in conception and can avoid impregnating a woman if he really wants to.

An unplanned pregnancy can simply be an accident or carelessness.

YetiRosetti · 17/08/2025 23:16

VaseofViolets · 17/08/2025 23:11

As far as we know, she might have known he was playing away and turned a blind eye to all these affairs. Some people do. She might not have thought he’d actually fall for someone. Who knows…

She might have but we don’t know. We don’t know anything about her. My point is that men who cheat always claim they weren’t happy and that their wife is awful, whether it’s true or not, so OP shouldn’t assume that it is true.

JHound · 17/08/2025 23:15

rwalker · 17/08/2025 19:51

to the outside world my friend did this went to work in Saudi
the reality was his then partner was a complete narcissist
told him he’d have to fight her in court for access and she’d make sure it bankrupted him with court cost and he was regularly threatened by her family
no great back story she wanted the house ( they weren’t married and he had it before they met she’d contributed nothing) signing over to her and it all spiralled from there
pushed him to the verge of a breakdown but tells anyone who would listens including there daughter he’d abandoned them

He did abandon his daughter.