To think we’re blurring the boundaries between work and everything else?

It does depend on what you do though, most professional jobs have always contracted you to work the hours needed to do the job, which is why a lot of companies don’t do time in lieu above a certain grade.

Obviously this is not license to go crazy.

I would send them back instructions for the schedule button

I don’t think this is new news. I think there is at least an attempt to push back on that now - but easier in a big corporation than a small business.

I think you have to decide on your boundaries and stick with them

I refuse to put Teams or work emails on my personal phone.

I might privately occasionally choose to do some work at the weekend but I wouldn’t mention it to any of my colleagues so it’s not expected.

Monetising hobbies is entirely personal choice and people have always done this, it’s just more visible now.

It really annoys me when employers send work emails on Saturday /Sunday and than attach a note saying ‘ to be read on Monday’
Why not send the email on Monday then ?
Definitely think that it is a terrible idea to have your work email on your personal phone because you find that your work life encroaches on your personal life and you don’t get paid any extra .

Yes but I think you could argue the other way too. Home life comes into work - need to leave work to pick up kid, need to work from home as we are going on holiday tomorrow, stress leave from work as home life is too stressful etc etc.

I’m not saying it’s wrong but there is a large blur generally and it works both ways.

Yes but I think you could argue the other way too. Home life comes into work - need to leave work to pick up kid, need to work from home as we are going on holiday tomorrow, stress leave from work as home life is too stressful etc etc.

I’m not saying it’s wrong but there is a large blur generally and it works both ways.

I agree with this especially with the increase in WFH. I think you can’t have it both ways - if you want to be able to switch off at 5pm and be super strict about when you work then it also means you can’t pop to the dentist or do the school run while you’re ’WFH’. If however you want a job that’s flexible and allows you to do these things then it also means occasionally logging on in an evening to catch up.

I agree we shouldn’t be expected to be constantly available but I do think if you want a flexible role then you have to have some slack in both directions.

I hate slack messages. People seem to fire over a one line "quick question" that actually requires a bit of work to respond to but expect an instant response.

Id say having a separate work phone and being expected to put teams/ outlook on your personal phone is more common, making it much harder to switch off. No one forces you to where i work but its easier than only having it on the laptop, price to pay though.

Agree with this.

My employer doesn't get a second out of me that's not paid for.

I have done things in my personal time that's related to my career - courses and whatnot - but these things have been with a view to improving my life, with better chances of promotion, and not for my employers' benefit.

I don't think about work after I've logged off. I don't have work stuff on my personal phone. If you're in a job where it's expected that you're always on then maybe it's time to find a new job.

I dont do this, i know lots of people who do it an complain but it is their choice or they go on about being judged if they dont or some other competing thing, I start at 9 and finish at 5 and thst is it

I think that’s been happening for a long time, and now life is intruding into work in equal measure.

About ten years ago, yes. Now, not so much. I'm a senior director and rarely read emails after 5pm or before 9am.

I don’t have work emails on my phone. I don’t have slack or work teams on my phone. Or work zoom. If they want me they can get me during working hours. When I shut the laptop I’m done.

If work want me to be on call they can pay me for it. And provide a phone.

I agree OP, especially about the work chats. This wasn't an expectation a while ago

You may have. I haven't. It's a personal choice.