What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

Why are trans people always saying how unsafe they feel then?

I think most people do not belong to this group. Fair enough people may choose to wear badges, wave a flag etc but these should not be on public buildings. I tend to avoid businesses who display these flags.

I know many young adult lesbians- I'm in my late twenties myself. I also know several young adult trans men, though none are exclusively attracted to women. I hear people say there aren't many young lesbians these days, but to be honest this is almost totally in contradiction to what I see around me. Some identify as non-binary as well as being lesbians, which seems to me an extrapolation of being butch or androgynous, but they still happily claim the lesbian name at the same time. It's a difference in labels and language more than a difference in experience.

There's been a real surge of young lesbian women in pop culture over the last couple of years, especially in music. Chappel Roan is the most obvious example, but there's also Renée Rapp, King Princess, PVRIS, and Girl in Red. Plus plenty of bisexual and queer women writing music about women who are really popular right now, like Billie Eilish and St Vincent. Young lesbians seem to be thriving at the moment even in spite of the seeming rise in homophobia lately; they're a strong group.

The havoc this has caused in two particular schools I've worked in made me leave teaching.
A Libra rain tried to get a Y7 permanently excluded because the pupil ,quite rightly , pointed out humans can't change sex.
The librarian was in a hetero relationship but fully aligned with TRAs to the extent he wasted half of the library budget on LGBTQ++ material.
The shit hit the fan when the Heads of Department started to order texts , software and the Head of English tried to get a visiting author.
Shelves of books that no pupil was interested in because when a school uses iPads etc the pupils can access literature on these devices at home or at school so there's no real need to spend ,£3k on LGBTQ++ books or the massive amount of bookshelves to display them.
Worked at a Stonewall awarded school. PHSCE/ Relationship PowerPoints were appalling in what agenda was being pushed.
You are homosexual or bisexual. You may be asexual . I don't care a jot.
I care that my child and your children are being exposed to lies that breakdown safe guarding, and stigmatise autistic and gender non conforming children.
Gender neutral toilets? Male pupils urinating all over the stalls because they could because they'd been told there are no longer male and female toilets. This was before Andrew Tate.
The problem then becomes the decent young men can't use any toilet because the cubicles are disgusting and young women wearing Tena underwear because they feel unsafe and who'd want to use a cubicle that looks like squatting toilet like an aire on the continent?
But then what about using the accessible cubicles because surely they are clean?
Nope. Same issue.
Fuck me, back when I was at high school Stonewall et al would be pushing me towards surgery.
Love Sci Fi and horror? Love crime lit?
Off to Tavistock.
Don't like pink or Bross , Curiosity Killed the Cat or any boyband I was supposed to swoon over?
Off to the Tavi.
We are not being kind to our most vulnerable population when the ' captured' in education decide that because the school has paid £2k for a Stonewall plaque and more importantly FREE PowerPoints that take the pressure off SLT to produce schemes of work and resources it's ' a good thing.'
So. In answer to your question, LGBTQ,++ can go hang.
I donate to LGB Alliance. Not gay but I stand with my homosexual and bi brothers and sisters because LGBTQ++ etc have destroyed and deprived them of safe spaces and deprived vulnerable women and girls of care,compassion and support and made schools unsafe for children.

What does the + stand for? I've always wondered.

I have just contacted them via email to ask, so hopefully I'll get a response.

If I'd said it in the context of a trans person saying "I feel saddened when I'm not recognised as a woman" and if just wrote #hurtyfeelz I could understand it. But that isn't what I was replying to!? I'll update if there's a response....

If that’s what you said, I don’t see the issue. Their moderation seems to be quite inconsistent and nonsensical so I’d be interested to see what they say if you do contact them.

Agreed.

I think I’m sick of hearing about a bunch of entitled bores and autogynephiles who want to run out right perverted marches and have well and truly lost the sympathy of the British people.

I support LGB people wholeheartedly- they were genuinely oppressed for years, and sometimes still face prejudice, especially abroad. But the TQ+ lot can get in the bin, along with all the adjacent woman-hating crap they support like puberty blockers, eroding women’s rights and promoting surrogacy.

B here. I think of my lovely lesbian, bisexual, gay, transgender, queer...etc friends and family. I think of all the fun we've had at Pride and how the community has helped me feel good in my own skin. Little bit of sadness nowadays at the vitorol and hysteria directed at my TQ+ friends and family, but I'm glad that in real life, and within our circles, they feel safe and free to live their lives.

I literally put this : #hurtyfeelz

That's it.

The context was a poster saying (obviously tongue in cheek) that it was phobic to not recognise as a man as a woman and the above was my response!?

Then in comes @ilovesooty to state i think you know what you've said . I'm utterly baffled.

Thanks for your advice anyway, appreciate it.

It's a mind bending exercise in mental gymnastics where words mean different things to different people. If he is fully onboard with gender then I guess he defines gay as being attracted to other men in the sense of anyone who identifies as a man so he's gay. If he defines gay as being attracted to someone of the same biological sex then he's bisexual (because he could go for a transman with female biology).

But either way in the context of this discussion whether he slots himself in as G or B he has no real conflict of interest with the Ts.

As in the acronym. Lesbian, gay, bi, trans.

I don’t remember your post but you can ask them on site stuff, or maybe better to email them so that they can discuss it properly. [email protected]

I think ‘… hmmm… forced teaming… no thanks’.

@MNHQ can you please respond to why most #hurtyfeelz post was deleted? In the context of agreeing with a poster who I was replying to ? Nobody on this thread seems to be able to shed any light and presumably the person who reported me can't either ? If I've said something so offensive that requires deletion, I'm going to need educating on it : because I still am In the dark how what I said broke talk guidelines?

It’s probably because we’ve been abroad (Europe) for a while but the obsession and discussion in the UK (where we’re from btw) is mind blowing. It’s not a topic at all here. Why are people so obsessed with this? Best prepared myself because we’re moving home soon.

So he wouldn’t be a gay man. He’d be bisexual no?

This is interesting, and I think this bit in particular goes to the heart of it:

As for T, that seems to be in direct opposition to LGB as it makes sex into something unimportant or non existent. If sex is mutable then why can't a gay man find a body with female genitalia attractive if the woman believes she is a man?

But I don't think it's impossible for a gay man to think that gender is more important than sex but still to regard being gay as an important characteristic, and for the two beliefs to be compatible. Maybe he could find a body with female genitalia attractive if the woman believes she is a man. But what about the situation where he is attracted to a body with a penis owned by someone who is and was born male and identifies as a man? He can still "do gay" in the old-fashioned sense while accepting that gender overrides sex.

The phobia /disdain about blue hair on here always really makes me laugh, just reading through the thread 😁
Blue hair! Must be an angry lesbian or "one of the trans" !🤣

But that’s not accurate is it? Because a trans person or non binary person can be straight no? Identity (nonsense) and sexuality (real) are so different.

I was asked once at work if I wanted a rainbow lanyard for pride month to show support for the community. I said no only because I felt we should treat everyone no matter what or who they are the same.

And also when I see a rainbow i see Gods rainbow of a promise to Noah. Not the flag. Yes I know there is a colour missing but still I see Gods promise

Is there an LGB flag - if not there should be. I support that fully. The rest can fuck off

LGBT, I think mostly of same-sex-attracted people. LGBTQ+ makes me think of dyed, pierced, Very Online types who’ve decided they’re “agender demisexuals” or some other bespoke identity.

I’m bisexual, BTW.