What do you think of when you hear LGBTQ+?

I think of trans people and a movement that cares more about that than anything else

I just wonder why the need for a flag, badge, lanyard etc.
I have no issues with however people choose to identify but don’t see the need for them to have their own colours, days and parades. Who actually cares.

I think people are entitled to their own views but I don’t want or see any pride flags, I don’t think they have a place in the public sector and feel staff should not be displaying them.

That's how I feel too. Being L or G or B is something that I'm happy to celebrate with anyone who feels like celebrating it (if they want to make a thing out of it). It doesn't feel so natural to celebrate someone's fetishes or mental disorientation.

Tbh I roll my eyes. It’s not fair but the whole Q and T thing makes me disengage, I don’t understand why sexual orientation and gender identity have been lumped together as they are completely different things on all levels. I feel sorry for the LGB people having their movement hi jacked

I see that, but to be fair to MN (despite the inconsistencies) they did allow discussions around women’s rights and the impact of gender ideology in a way that very few websites did.

Reddit around that time banned any women only sub, gender critical subs, whilst having hundreds of porn subs including ones depicting rape and violent porn, and the main lesbian sub was just porn, and pretty much all other lesbian subs populated by trans identified men.

Precisely. I just wish there was the same energy and focus on more forgotten members of society such as disabled people.

Instead of 'I am gender fluid and can use whatever toilet I like' lunchtime talks etc how about the struggles of deaf people and understand some of the barriers they face. Maybe a lunchtime session learning some basics of sign language. Wheel chair users - what are there daily struggles? Blind people - how do they manage? What engineering is in place to help them and how can we assist.

Human nature is tribal.

Flags, emblems and badges are the produce of tribalism.

Any workplace that allows it to happen on their office floor has very weak management.

Slightly off point but I resent the use of the rainbow as a symbol. Rainbows are obviously symbolic for many people for different reasons and now they are becoming synonymous only with pride. I would say the same if a disability group used the love heart or a political group stole the smiley face. It makes other people who like rainbows unable to use them as they are now misinterpreted. I work in a preschool and feel a little uncomfortable displaying rainbows especially during pride month so i now avoid it.

Thank goodness the department of education has just bought in guidance for schools working with gender questioning children.

I roll my eyes.

It’s far too convoluted these days. I support LGB and then lose interest. The T has taken over.

Well, to me it's on par with Mumsnet moderator calling my post "racist" because I said "I'm frightened people will think I've used the N word or something"

And deleting my initial (supportive to who I was replying to ) "hurtyfeelz" comment and any subsequent post with reference to it. Yet other far far far more "offensive" posts are up.

It seems to me like they're just deleting my posts and using it as an excuse to say "you've had too many deletions so we're banning you " it seems MNHQ like a softly softly echo chamber.

At least on Reddit you can call the misogynists a few expletives without getting deleted 😁

How does running away to an echo chamber like trans/reddit
get around the reality
that TQ* has destroyed the relaxed acceptance of LGB ?

I can’t get to grips with reddit - the misogyny is appalling.

I think it lost the plot when things like demi-sexual became part of the rainbow, and also the furries nonsense. I've been on Pride marches in the past but now I wouldn't go.

It does look a bit more chaotic, but I guess that's down to me being unfamiliar with it for now. I'm quite incensed about the 'racist' accusation to be honest. It's a really low blow from whoever that moderator is. I don't feel like that's at all warranted or rational. I nearly started a post on it but I'm sure they'd pick apart anything id said to make an excuse to delete it.

By the way I read your name as "Dildo"do the right thing 🤭 (I better shut my mouth in case thats racist 🙄)

I can’t get on with Reddit. It’s hard to navigate.

Ah that's interesting - thanks for your response. I might have a look at signing up 😊

I can see why everyone ends up on Reddit nowadays. Mumsnet is becoming a hypocritical echo chamber.

I moved to Reddit after Mumsnet introduced the compulsory cookie thing. I'm only back here temporarily because I was interested in opinions on mounjaro price rises!

Thanks for the support. I think I ended up more annoyed after the 'racist' accusation- when all I said was "I'm worried people with think of used the N word or something" I really can't understand how that's "racist".

But as you say, inconsistent moderation I guess, like the example you've given.

The moderation is inconsistent. Someone called a friend of mine a horrible name on here a couple of years ago, something that I’ve seen deleted quickly before and since. The mods left it up for 2 days telling her to ‘challenge it on the thread’. They eventually deleted it as they had ‘had a chat and decided it wasn’t in the spirit’. 🙄 I wouldn’t worry about it.

Sorry to bang on again : but I've had a response about my deleted post (s) :

Apparently 'Hurtyfeelz' was dismissive and 'not In the spirit of Mumsnet ' (how on earth can they say that when it was a tongue in cheek response supporting the posters point ?)

Secondly I was worried after the "you know what you said" underneath an unreadable deleted post that people may think I'd used something abhorrent like the 'N' word. Apparently that post was racist 😲.

I'm shocked about the moderator on today. Obviously making things a bit personal. I can see why everyone ends up on Reddit nowadays. Mumsnet is becoming a hypocritical echo chamber.

Self identified Ts don’t always have the gender reassignment characteristic though. Some are ‘fluid’ and have different pronouns every day of the week, others are just dabbling or jumping on a social contagion bandwagon. I long for the good old days with the old fashioned type of transsexuals who got on with their lives and didn’t agitate to burn terfs in a grease fire.

But what is that common cause?

Trans ideology is homophobic though.