To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

The point of the unity symbol was in response to the pp stating that as lot of people don’t like the monarchy it can’t be a symbol of unity, I don’t know if we have any symbols of unity which everyone agrees with, maybe there are I just can’t think of any.

I don’t know about Scotland but Northern Ireland isn’t on track for reunification, it may seem that way as Sinn Fein are the largest party however the unionist vote was split.
Of course it may happen anything may happen but certainly not soon.

The lavish ceremonies are a part of that symbol of privilege so to object to the monarchy would also be objecting to the ceremonies.
Also interested as to what symbols of unity there are in the UK that everyone likes and agrees on? It’s a genuine question as I can’t think of anything at this time.

If the monarchy was abolished how do you imagine the country to look like? Will we become an egalitarian society? Maybe we will feel that we are because we are rid of them and we can all feel better, but even taking the monarchy out of the equation now we aren’t a egalitarian society and I can’t see that changing any time soon. Economic equality will still exist, social classes will still cause inequality in education and health, there will still be racial inequality. The ‘elites’ who really run the country will still be around and don’t get me started on the House of Lords. Do you think poor people affect change at government level or have any influence no it’s the rich and they aren’t going anywhere monarchy or no monarchy.

I think if we had no royal family we would just find something else to idolise because that seems to be what human beings do. From gods to celebrities, influencers, money and whatever else. Actually like we already do, just some people also idolise the royals as well.

I don’t think blind loyalty to the monarchy equals patriotism, my loyalty (if I can call it that) is not blind. I have thought about what I believe would be best for the country and if I thought it would best for the country and our lives for them to go then that’s what I would believe. I understand all the arguments against and I still believe we are better off with them. It doesn’t mean I don’t agree with many points you and others have made.

There is a lot wrong with many things, I totally agree with the pp who have said we are being led down the path (by whom I have no idea) blaming the illegals for everything wrong in our lives so we don’t look in the right direction.
It’s always been the same, it was the single mothers getting pregnant to get a house and loads of children so they could bring in the 2 child policy and cut child benefits, the unemployed are getting too much benefits sitting at home playing the xbox we paid for so cuts to benefits but let’s not worry about the mothers/parents who didn’t have or couldn’t afford childcare and are struggling, then we have the benefit scrounging disabled scamming pip when there’s nothing wrong with them - everything is a smoke screen for their agenda and we are all falling for it.

I’m really fucking prickly about it all today as I opened my bedroom curtains to see some thick twat has put a flag on the lamppost outside my house. I want to put it on the market soon. Not a chance now, the area looks even more crap than usual.

They are all down my street - one of the main routes into town. Not that I agree with migrants coming over on boats - but the actual reality of the situation is far deeper than that. Toothless men shouting outside hotels is just laughable.

Not that the other side are any better. They are all playing into the hands of the government and they can’t see they are all being played.

It just the ridiculousness of this whole situation that gets me. If people actually used their brains instead of kicking down and shouting “Engerrrrland” at every opportunity, as they do where I live, we wouldn’t be like this. Ditto the “welcome everyone” brigade who think they are so much better than everyone else.

One of my favourite books since a child has been 1984. When I walk around my town, all that echo’s in my head is George Orwell describing the “proles” being kept dumb and happy with alcohol and entertainment.

Totally agree. The focus on the i’illegal ’ migrants is to incite hate and prevent us from focusing on the fact that successive Governments have made a mess of the economy
Take for example the lack of social housing .
Governments use migrants / refugees as scapegoats . They want the masses to believe that the reason Johnny can’t get a council house ( despite being on the housing list since time immemorial ) is because a faceless ‘illegal’ immigrant was given priority.
Whereas the truth is that successive governments have refused to invest in social housing .However, they don’t have to answer to the general public who are out there protesting outside hotels in Epping and other places -waving English flags all over the joint

Yet it is ok for William and Kate to move into an eight bedroomed mansion because they are royals and more deserving than the ‘plebs’

As some (actually a lot of) people hate it all the monarchy cannot be a symbol of unity. It is not the ceremonies I personally object to btw; just that the monarchy is a symbol of and underpins privilege. Its parasitical presence mean that we cannot begin to claim to be a fair and egalitarian society.

I don't accept anyone's accusation btw that objecting to the monarchy means I am unpatriotic. One of the most pernicious aspects of the monarchy is the way that loyalty to the monarch is expected as a patriotic duty.

I am proud of my country and everything that it & its citizens have contributed in the past and present. That does not mean I should deny its negative side and the evils that have been committed, some in the name of patriotism. To me the monarchy symbolises so much of what is worst about this country; the worship of privilege, the greed, the unthinking loyalty and deference to unworthy objects.

That doesn't make the RF members bad people though I do think that a life like theirs - knowing nothing but privilege and deference - would be bad for anyone's character. But however nice some of them may be individually, they are fated to be part of the problem not the solution.

We could use the date of Liz's Platinum Jubilee and just make it a Bank Holiday just because. I mean, it's no more ridiculous thank giving bank workers a day off to watch the cricket, which is how the August one came about.

I agree totally, I have decided that the only thing I can do, is keep my own moral code, and ensure that my small circle of influence is as good as it can be. I try not to see or hear the news, as its depressing and infuriating. I speak the truth if I know it, to my friends, if I'm not sure what the truth is, I keep quiet.

I understand what you’re trying to say but it doesn’t make sense, why would we mark a national day for the jubilee for example when there is no monarch?
Ok we can do a guard change (although there would be no guards as they would have nothing to guard) just for fun but aren’t these types of ceremonies one of the reasons a lot of people are against the monarchy?
But I understand some people hate it all and that’s their prerogative

All the people who have any power seem to be corrupt, lacking in morals or common sense, MPs upskirting, putting cameras in toilets, looking at porn in Parliament, siphoning off money to their own betterment.
I am now 75 and realise that is has probably always been like this, but better hidden. I wonder if the percentage of disgusting people is the same in the general population, or whether power does corrupt. If that is so, then the Royal Family will probably have been festering away for hundreds of years, until they have no idea what is good, normal, healthy behaviour!

Other countries manage fine without a monarch and have plenty of ceremonies; we don't need to lose any of these. Most of them are not as traditional as is commonly thought and were invented by the Victorians anyway, to keep them popular after Victoria hid away for years after being widowed.

Most other monarchies don't have an archaic, insanely expensive coronation either.

I used to be a monarchist btw but they lost me years ago, and most events in recent years have only confirmed my viewpoint. Probably the worst of several very low points, was the spectacle of our Head of State paying off the accuser of her alleged sex abuser son, a citizen of another country - with our money - to protect him and block any crime investigation by that country. Do you know what that makes this country look like?

I see there are the usual digs at Harry on this thread. Whatever you may think of Harry all he is really guilty of is leaving the RF and choosing to do something different with his life, no longer on the payroll of the UK taxpayer. I recall that H offered to work part time to support the RF and this was rejected; yet William and Kate are themselves part time workers so it seems to be OK for them.

Do you think this country doesn’t bother to try to make itself better because the royals have some events and ceremonies? That’s the reason? That we are waiting for the royals to be abolished so the people can shine? What people and what will they suddenly do that can’t be done now?

We don’t need any of that bullshit.

Nah, I used to shout it from the rooftops. I lost writing work due to it, even though others agreed with me.

You just get called a conspiracy theorist. Which I get, to recognise you are actually nothing, with no say and no choice is a pretty scary thing to comprehend and people don’t want to face it. I gave up years ago. It’s no longer my problem.

We do need some sort of sovereign for trooping the colour as it marks their birthday, otherwise why troop any colours?
Also a jubilee requires a monarch to actually celebrate their reign.
Changing of the guard literally changes guards of Buckingham palace, there would be no need to change guards with no Buckingham Palace
For the opening of parliament they can all just go in and sit down there’s no need for ceremony as they’re all useless anyway

I think that it’s just another divide and conquer tactic. Idiots being rilled up to shout outside hotels and hang up flags. It keeps the thickos busy and angry and kicking downwards and the lefties feeling superior. The Green Party - load of nonsense anyway.

Marches and riots equal people wanting to be governed harder and made “safer” with harsher laws. It’s so transparent. There are no different political parities, it’s just an illusion to keep us thinking we are one above cattle.

But hey, that’s just my opinion. Eveyone else can think differently, and I am just at a point in my life where my biggest concern at the moment is what colour kettle to buy for my new kitchen. I don’t care about anything ouside my own little bubble anymore and I really don’t care if someone else thinks differently to me.

This is strong stuff.
Is there documented evidence for your allegations?

I just read on another thread, someone said that the Green Party have as many seats as reform but aren’t given the same voice.

I feel like banging my head against a brick wall when I hear things like that. It’s not real. None of it. It’s all an illusion to make you think you have choice and a tiny bit of power.

At the moment, the country is being incited into violence and hatred to bring in harsher laws and to keep us all divided and fighting each other.

We fall for it time and time again. I’ve given up with people now. They fight for the wrong things.