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To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

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Ukisgaslit · 16/08/2025 10:06

I know most people don’t give a damn about the Windsors any more .

However , in a week when we learn about Philip’s affairs - notably with Sarah Ferguson’s mother ( all covered up of course like the rest of their debachery) we are now expected to swallow the line that William and Kate’s next mansion is ‘paid for by William and Kate themselves ‘

No . That’s not the complete truth .Every penny the Windsors have , they have taken from the people . We now know William and Charles make millions from public services like the NHS schools and charities . We only know about this as a result of dogged journalistic digging . And most of the mainstream media barely covered the scandal .

There are many threads here about how the UK is in steep decline and how people are suffering . Yet the royals are taking in half a billion a year and charging charities on top !

At least admit to us that all their money is stolen from us ?

Oh and if you haven’t heard the queen knew all about Andrew pocketing money via ‘pitch at the palace’

She was told repeatedly by officials . She did nothing
Can we have some facts please ?
The Windsors are a total facade - they are all like Andrew - he’s just the latest fall guy .

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Futurehappiness · 02/09/2025 07:40

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 22:47

I highly doubt William and Kate were unaware. They have entire teams of staff to advise them on the associations tied to certain names, just like when Diana considered naming William “John,” and the Queen objected because it was seen as unlucky.
This feels like nothing more than excuses and enabling from older generations trying to defend a criminal family. What’s truly disturbing is the reality that they can rape or could even kill someone and still face no consequences thanks to diplomatic protections. And time and again, their crimes are exposed followed by lame uncoverings. What shocks me most is how the UK public tolerates such corruption and disgrace. People deserve better than this.

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Indeed. This is a family in which W&K's childrens' school friends are vetted before they are allowed to visit them. There is no way they weren't aware of the implications of naming their child after that man.

I think the RF are deeply corrupt as shown by the many distasteful people they associate with. They have no choice but to support Andrew despite his disgrace, because they probably see him as just being unlucky as the family member who was found out.

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 22:47

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 22:33

I commented on that a while back, and people argued that Charles made William. But if Charles can't admit the (probable) truth about his 'honorary grandpapa', surely William could have had the backbone put his foot down?? And Kate??

William never knew the damn man in the first place, and he's not even a distant relation of Kate's. Why did they saddle their poor son with the name of a probable paedophile? Couldn't it have been the middle name if they had to put it in?

I highly doubt William and Kate were unaware. They have entire teams of staff to advise them on the associations tied to certain names, just like when Diana considered naming William “John,” and the Queen objected because it was seen as unlucky.
This feels like nothing more than excuses and enabling from older generations trying to defend a criminal family. What’s truly disturbing is the reality that they can rape or could even kill someone and still face no consequences thanks to diplomatic protections. And time and again, their crimes are exposed followed by lame uncoverings. What shocks me most is how the UK public tolerates such corruption and disgrace. People deserve better than this.

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 22:33

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 21:21

Also it's really weird that William and Catherine names the kids after a pedophile in the family.

This is also other high pediphiles closely linked to that family: Epstein, Seville, Andrew himself for a start.

I commented on that a while back, and people argued that Charles made William. But if Charles can't admit the (probable) truth about his 'honorary grandpapa', surely William could have had the backbone put his foot down?? And Kate??

William never knew the damn man in the first place, and he's not even a distant relation of Kate's. Why did they saddle their poor son with the name of a probable paedophile? Couldn't it have been the middle name if they had to put it in?

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 21:41

doglover90 · 21/08/2025 15:33

The top comments on the DM on any article about W&K always go along the lines of:

'Would much rather my taxes went to this lovely family rather than foreign criminals'

'I'm sure that Catherine will make it into a lovely family home'

It's pathetic.

I really believe many are bots. People who worked there basically admitted that many comments are bots or the proper staff

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 21:31

Lampzade · 31/08/2025 13:28

Totally agree. The focus on the i’illegal ’ migrants is to incite hate and prevent us from focusing on the fact that successive Governments have made a mess of the economy
Take for example the lack of social housing .
Governments use migrants / refugees as scapegoats . They want the masses to believe that the reason Johnny can’t get a council house ( despite being on the housing list since time immemorial ) is because a faceless ‘illegal’ immigrant was given priority.
Whereas the truth is that successive governments have refused to invest in social housing .However, they don’t have to answer to the general public who are out there protesting outside hotels in Epping and other places -waving English flags all over the joint

Yet it is ok for William and Kate to move into an eight bedroomed mansion because they are royals and more deserving than the ‘plebs’

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This remembers it a friend of Kate who wanted to kill immigrants. It's quite disturbing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8232340/Kate-Middletons-friend-questioned-over-racist-gun-threat.html

She also organized sex parties as a job. We all know who this families ally with. Criminals, pediphiles and sexual deviants (wouldn't be specialised if she works in honey pots like you know who). And it's a sure how some royalists treat this lazy princess who vacationed 6 times this year as an scion of anything, it's to retrocessive and offensive for every working woman who doesn't live from tax payes.

Thankfully the newer generations are woke instead of enabling racism and crimes, I hope this system is soon at least, reworked, as the fact of it exists is beyond any sane comprehension.

Trutherwoke · 01/09/2025 21:21

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 06:28

Oh I see @SixtySomething

Personal statements , FBI files ( which stated Mountbatten’s interest in young boys made him a security risk-sound familiar?), closed records, etc etc all not good enough for you

Its all a ‘bandwagon?

Sadly one that is only starting to be able to access evidence decades after the death of the alleged perpetrator
( btw I believe it was Lownie who revealed the FBI files - he spent his inheritance on court cases trying to access papers - it an expensive business this bandwagon )

You claim no interest in the royals but dismiss evidence of their offences as not meeting your high standards.

I assume you think Chris Moore and Andrew Lownie are on the same bandwagon?

I wonder what your thoughts on Andrew are ?

Also it's really weird that William and Catherine names the kids after a pedophile in the family.

This is also other high pediphiles closely linked to that family: Epstein, Seville, Andrew himself for a start.

CathyorClaire · 01/09/2025 20:07

You do have to wonder how they manage to 'do things wrong' as often as they do when they have so very many experts and advisers on tap 24/7.

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 19:57

RigIt · 18/08/2025 22:44

I don’t understand why you didn’t know that Phillip had affairs, and why you care so much? It’s old news and he’s dead.

The Royal Family are full of a mix of humans, and are.fallible, individuals are going to do things wrong. They are also born into it (or married into it), it’s not like a job they apply for.. The only thing I expect of them is that they represent the country and do their duty. I think William and Kate do this really well.

i also think the loss of the Royal Family would be a huge loss to the country, both in terms of income, but also history, tradition and gravitas. The royals are used by us diplomatically and politically, they aren’t just window dressing. (Negotiations with Trump being a recent example). All in all I think they are an asset.

I wouldn't say the revelations coming out really show most of the royal family to possess gravitas...

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 19:39

Sorry, that was meant to be quoting cumbriaisbest.

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 19:36

Yep, Alice Keppel was her great gran. Alice's daughter Violet was Vita Sackville-West's girlfriend and a v good Nancy Mitford-style novelist (Mitford actually based Lady Montdore on her). At least the family were a bit more interesting then. Then they became regular hunting, shooting, etc obsessed toffs ☹️

Americano75 · 01/09/2025 15:42

Tom Bower is one nasty, vindictive old wretch. I wouldn't trust anything he says.

LidlAmaretto · 01/09/2025 15:10

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 13:11

Actually Tom Bower did say in Revenge that it's possible that Diana had another lover in 1983. I DO believe that Charles is Harry's father. The resemblance is strong between Harry & Philip.

It does seriously tar my opinion of Diana though if true. Why give your son the burden of having his paternity questioned? Obvs the cheating was bad enough, but this was a whole other layer. She was a hero for her AIDS advocacy & landmine campaign but she was also v flawed.

'Its possible'? That doesn't mean anything, and what does Tom Bower know? Tom Bower seems to have a massive axe to grind about Harry and Meghan that is not journalistically balanced IMO.

You also have to take into account that when Charles wanted the public to accept Camilla, there was a huge campaign promoting their 'love story' and a narrative that Diana cheated too (which she did) but as you said, would she really have taken a lover when she was trying for a child with her heir to the Throne husband, just 3 years into her marriage and when shed not long given birth and suffered from depression during her pregnancy?

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 13:11

LidlAmaretto · 17/08/2025 06:56

I'm not saying I think the rumour is true or not but Diana didn't even meet Hewitt intl Harry was born. Porchester was TLQ's friends long before Andrew was born. Her marriage to Phil was rumoured to have been strained for many years before Andrewwas born.

Actually Tom Bower did say in Revenge that it's possible that Diana had another lover in 1983. I DO believe that Charles is Harry's father. The resemblance is strong between Harry & Philip.

It does seriously tar my opinion of Diana though if true. Why give your son the burden of having his paternity questioned? Obvs the cheating was bad enough, but this was a whole other layer. She was a hero for her AIDS advocacy & landmine campaign but she was also v flawed.

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 12:55

ginasevern · 16/08/2025 18:37

@whackamole666
"Mountbatten was a kiddy fiddler? Really? Who knew?"

Google the Kincora Children's Home scandal. That should tell you all you need to know about the dirty bastard. Apart from that, his sexual proclivities for young men were known for decades but his abuse at the children's home plunged new depths of depravity.

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When you say young men, do you mean overage? From the book I remember that even if some of the young men were of age, another issue was that often they were underlings in the navy which obviously means they may have consented so as not to lose their job ..

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 11:48

@SixtySomething

I don’t know what you are talking about about re my username .
I’ve created several threads in the past year .

I’ve no idea about Charles and whether he was abused / and or is an abuser .
Do you ?

As for suggesting that I’m undermining society by posting on mumsnet ….

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Futurehappiness · 01/09/2025 10:33

SixtySomething · 01/09/2025 10:08

I don't think the issue here is child abuse.
I believe 'many, many women and mothers ' would be more interested in efforts to support contemporary victims of proven child abuse, rather than incendiary posts about commercial, journalistic writings about a long-dead aristocrat.
You don't appear to be interested in whether King Charles was sexually abused, although that is the obvious conclusion leaping out at me.
You have created a new username for this post, so we cannot view your posting history.
Overall, it suggests that you have an interest in undermining social stability.

Mountbatten may be dead but some of his victims are still with us. It is possible to care about all victims of abuse.

I have no idea whether KC was abused and we are never likely to know...so I don't know how you can claim this as a conclusion. Just as we can't know for sure whether Andrew's daughters were ever at risk from Epstein. I would think probably not, as his modus operandi seemed to be to select victims from backgrounds which made them vulnerable. That is not the same as not being interested.

I am just not seeing the 'vitriol' you are claiming, from posters including the OP or from this thread as a whole. Just legitimate anger that privileged people escape the scrutiny and justice which any other alleged criminals would be subject to.

Wanting necessary social change - so that unacceptable behaviour is no longer tolerated regardless of the status of the perpetrator, and all victims see justice - is legitimate and nothing to do with 'undermining social stability'.

Katypp · 01/09/2025 10:08

I am also curious at the vitriol.
As I have already said, I am a Republican, but it needs sensible debate, not vitriol and hate flung about wildly.
Until Republicans can engage in a reasonable manner, nothing will ever change

SixtySomething · 01/09/2025 10:08

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 09:27

@SixtySomething
Children in a care home were abused and Mountbatten is being linked to the abuse ring

All covered up until he’s long gone - despite attempts by brave individuals to highlight this in the 70s

THAT is what fuels me
Many many women and mothers have the same visceral response to stories like this .
Im surprised you have to ask what fuels me .

What fuels your casual dismissal of this abuse ?

I don't think the issue here is child abuse.
I believe 'many, many women and mothers ' would be more interested in efforts to support contemporary victims of proven child abuse, rather than incendiary posts about commercial, journalistic writings about a long-dead aristocrat.
You don't appear to be interested in whether King Charles was sexually abused, although that is the obvious conclusion leaping out at me.
You have created a new username for this post, so we cannot view your posting history.
Overall, it suggests that you have an interest in undermining social stability.

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 09:27

@SixtySomething
Children in a care home were abused and Mountbatten is being linked to the abuse ring

All covered up until he’s long gone - despite attempts by brave individuals to highlight this in the 70s

THAT is what fuels me
Many many women and mothers have the same visceral response to stories like this .
Im surprised you have to ask what fuels me .

What fuels your casual dismissal of this abuse ?

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PollyBell · 01/09/2025 09:13

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 08:47

And no @PollyBell propaganda is a great deal more than ‘stuff in the media’
Look at my post above .
There is suppression of information ( information we have paid for I’d add ) there is distraction, never mind all the bot farms ( the royals are v clumsy with those so easily spotted usually)

Maybe they are just getting on with their life and not coming up with things that are not there?

SixtySomething · 01/09/2025 08:55

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 08:48

@SixtySomething

Yes I know Carl beech
Are you dismissing every other personal account based on that ?

Not at all.
Do you think King Charles was the victim of sexual abuse?
I'm still wondering what fuel is driving you?

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 08:48

@SixtySomething

Yes I know Carl beech
Are you dismissing every other personal account based on that ?

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Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 08:47

And no @PollyBell propaganda is a great deal more than ‘stuff in the media’
Look at my post above .
There is suppression of information ( information we have paid for I’d add ) there is distraction, never mind all the bot farms ( the royals are v clumsy with those so easily spotted usually)

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SixtySomething · 01/09/2025 08:32

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 06:28

Oh I see @SixtySomething

Personal statements , FBI files ( which stated Mountbatten’s interest in young boys made him a security risk-sound familiar?), closed records, etc etc all not good enough for you

Its all a ‘bandwagon?

Sadly one that is only starting to be able to access evidence decades after the death of the alleged perpetrator
( btw I believe it was Lownie who revealed the FBI files - he spent his inheritance on court cases trying to access papers - it an expensive business this bandwagon )

You claim no interest in the royals but dismiss evidence of their offences as not meeting your high standards.

I assume you think Chris Moore and Andrew Lownie are on the same bandwagon?

I wonder what your thoughts on Andrew are ?

I'm amazed at your vitriol.
What is fuelling it?
Do you think King Charles was the victim of sexual abuse?
You're leaping wildly at any offensive angle on me that you can grasp, so it seems likely you're doing the same with the names you're chucking around.
Here's one back: Carl Beech.

Ukisgaslit · 01/09/2025 08:26

This interview was from 26.org - it’s a writers’ organisation I believe .

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