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When someone dies.....

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Wiltshiregirl06 · 16/08/2025 09:53

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A relative lives a very reclusive life, think a farm house in the middle of nowhere, not much contact with others, apart from occasionally getting shopping delivered from another distant relative.
If he dies, how would we find out or be notified? The distant relative doesn't have my contact details, I don't have theirs. The relative in question is elderly, doesn't see or hear well, can't read be or write very well and isn't likely to have our details to hand, or be able to read it if they did.
Is there anywhere we can register that we (my family and my father) are next of kin? Just to complicate matters, my father and them fell out some years ago and don't speak.
Thank you.

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MeTooOverHere · 17/08/2025 22:44

Othersnotsomuch · 17/08/2025 06:51

Where does this poster say her adult children live “100s of miles away”?!

I didn't.
I was commenting on DinoLil's comment:

My comment was how would this help

milveycrohn · 17/08/2025 10:55

From this thread it would appear that a lot of people confuse the difference between 'Next of Kin' and 'Emergency Contact'.
An emergency contact should be someone local to you, who could/would help you if you fell over in the street, or locked yourself out, etc; and sometimes take/collect you from a hospital appointment. Ideally a local keyholder, etc.
Next of Kin, is your nearest relative (if you have any), who would deal with your residence, belongings/funeral after your death.
If you have a relative that lives close by, then this may be the same person.
If you do not have any relatives, and have nominated someone who is willing to do this, or act as an executor of your will, then that person has assumed the role of a next of kin.

Othersnotsomuch · 17/08/2025 06:52

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:44

@Zezet You can't under estimate the value of having lovely neighbours! Just simple things like the curtains can make a massive difference. I think I would like your grandmother!

@Othersnotsomuch My DCs are adults and haven't lived with me for years. I'm alone and responsible for just an aquatic turtle and an elderly dog. The dog would probably raise the alarm at 7am or 5pm by shouting the street down if her food bowl hadn't been filled!

And exactly, @isittime!!😆

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I think wise to at least put in your adult children’s contact details in your “death book” alongside your bank account details etc!

Othersnotsomuch · 17/08/2025 06:51

MeTooOverHere · 16/08/2025 22:50

How would that help? They live 100's of miles away. How would they know? They'd phone and get no answer, same as the CMHT nurse.

Where does this poster say her adult children live “100s of miles away”?!

MeTooOverHere · 16/08/2025 22:51

JLou08 · 16/08/2025 15:25

The start of the thread had me thinking you were worried about him being ill and dying alone or his body being left, which would be very sad. The way it ends though sounds like you just want to be notified once he's gone. In my opinion if you're not interested in being there for someone in life you're not entitled to anything in their death.

Read the full thread.

MeTooOverHere · 16/08/2025 22:50

Othersnotsomuch · 16/08/2025 14:50

Why don’t you put your adult DC as next of kin to save four people coming out again, inc two police officers?

How would that help? They live 100's of miles away. How would they know? They'd phone and get no answer, same as the CMHT nurse.

MeTooOverHere · 16/08/2025 22:48

Zezet · 16/08/2025 14:27

My grandmother used to have a similar arrangment with the neighbour across the street that the curtains must be up before Xam

Mine too! They each checked each other's kitchen window curtains first thing.

TheHateIsNotGood · 16/08/2025 22:08

I'd take a few days out of my life and just go see him. Op's friend will regret it if she doesn't. I understand it's not an easy thing to do what with work and kids and pets, etc for most people but I'd book somewhere nearby (a pet friendly caravan and drag the dc along if needs must) for a couple of nights and just turn up so at least I could see what is actually happening.

godmum56 · 16/08/2025 17:17

WearyAuldWumman · 16/08/2025 16:38

That's why I've kept my milk delivery going. Seriously...

It's only twice a week, but someone would notice before too long.

I do the same with a delivered newspaper.

godmum56 · 16/08/2025 17:17

milveycrohn · 16/08/2025 16:09

"i worry about that happening to me, it wouldn't be months but I think I could be lying there decomposing for a few weeks before anyone bothered to check on me."
I think if you live on your own without any family, then it's probably a good idea to have one or more friends or neighbours, who can keep an eye on you, and note if you haven't been seen lately.
I remember when my late MIL was hospitalised, and my DH and I went to her house to collect a few items for her, the next door neighbour came round to ask after her, as he had not seen her.
This is the kind of thing at the very least.
My DM had a council run 'pendant' around her nexk, by which, if she fell or similar she could contact them, and they would contact one of her two nominated friends/neighbours who lived nearby. I don't think this kind of service is operated now, though this may depend on the area. Of course my DM DID have family but the emergency concat was in case of a fall, or similar.

some councils subsidise private schemes and private schemes are available. Anybody thinking of one now should make sure that it will still work when the telephone line changeover happens in their area.

WearyAuldWumman · 16/08/2025 16:38

lifeonmars100 · 16/08/2025 14:00

i worry about that happening to me, it wouldn't be months but I think I could be lying there decomposing for a few weeks before anyone bothered to check on me.

That's why I've kept my milk delivery going. Seriously...

It's only twice a week, but someone would notice before too long.

ruffler45 · 16/08/2025 16:15

milveycrohn · 16/08/2025 16:09

"i worry about that happening to me, it wouldn't be months but I think I could be lying there decomposing for a few weeks before anyone bothered to check on me."
I think if you live on your own without any family, then it's probably a good idea to have one or more friends or neighbours, who can keep an eye on you, and note if you haven't been seen lately.
I remember when my late MIL was hospitalised, and my DH and I went to her house to collect a few items for her, the next door neighbour came round to ask after her, as he had not seen her.
This is the kind of thing at the very least.
My DM had a council run 'pendant' around her nexk, by which, if she fell or similar she could contact them, and they would contact one of her two nominated friends/neighbours who lived nearby. I don't think this kind of service is operated now, though this may depend on the area. Of course my DM DID have family but the emergency concat was in case of a fall, or similar.

Local authorities, Age UK and others still do alarms

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/products/mobility-and-independence-at-home/personal-alarms/

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/products/mobility-and-independence-at-home/personal-alarms/

milveycrohn · 16/08/2025 16:09

"i worry about that happening to me, it wouldn't be months but I think I could be lying there decomposing for a few weeks before anyone bothered to check on me."
I think if you live on your own without any family, then it's probably a good idea to have one or more friends or neighbours, who can keep an eye on you, and note if you haven't been seen lately.
I remember when my late MIL was hospitalised, and my DH and I went to her house to collect a few items for her, the next door neighbour came round to ask after her, as he had not seen her.
This is the kind of thing at the very least.
My DM had a council run 'pendant' around her nexk, by which, if she fell or similar she could contact them, and they would contact one of her two nominated friends/neighbours who lived nearby. I don't think this kind of service is operated now, though this may depend on the area. Of course my DM DID have family but the emergency concat was in case of a fall, or similar.

JLou08 · 16/08/2025 15:25

The start of the thread had me thinking you were worried about him being ill and dying alone or his body being left, which would be very sad. The way it ends though sounds like you just want to be notified once he's gone. In my opinion if you're not interested in being there for someone in life you're not entitled to anything in their death.

godmum56 · 16/08/2025 15:18

Alondra · 16/08/2025 14:44

If anyone cares about him when he's alive, prevention to dying alone is hugely important. A personal alarm for elderly people living reclusive lives is a possible solution to suddenly feeling unwell and be alone.

As to what happens after he dies, it'll depend on his will if he has one.

only if he wants it.

Othersnotsomuch · 16/08/2025 14:50

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:44

@Zezet You can't under estimate the value of having lovely neighbours! Just simple things like the curtains can make a massive difference. I think I would like your grandmother!

@Othersnotsomuch My DCs are adults and haven't lived with me for years. I'm alone and responsible for just an aquatic turtle and an elderly dog. The dog would probably raise the alarm at 7am or 5pm by shouting the street down if her food bowl hadn't been filled!

And exactly, @isittime!!😆

Edited

Why don’t you put your adult DC as next of kin to save four people coming out again, inc two police officers?

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:44

@Zezet You can't under estimate the value of having lovely neighbours! Just simple things like the curtains can make a massive difference. I think I would like your grandmother!

@Othersnotsomuch My DCs are adults and haven't lived with me for years. I'm alone and responsible for just an aquatic turtle and an elderly dog. The dog would probably raise the alarm at 7am or 5pm by shouting the street down if her food bowl hadn't been filled!

And exactly, @isittime!!😆

Alondra · 16/08/2025 14:44

If anyone cares about him when he's alive, prevention to dying alone is hugely important. A personal alarm for elderly people living reclusive lives is a possible solution to suddenly feeling unwell and be alone.

As to what happens after he dies, it'll depend on his will if he has one.

FlowerUser · 16/08/2025 14:36

When my dad died the police found his passport which had two next of kin listed at the back. The local police called the police where one of the NOK lives and they went round and informed them. Then the NOK rang the rest of the family.

AlphabetBird · 16/08/2025 14:31

I have an uncle I feel the same about. He talks to my mum occasionally, but isn’t in regular touch and lives hundreds of miles away. No other family, no children. Not social at all.

I don’t know what would happen if he died - we wouldn’t worry for weeks of no one had heard from him. We’d have to hope a neighbour noticed, but not sure how anyone would connect back to family/next of kin.

It’s a sad thought really.

Isittimeformynapyet · 16/08/2025 14:29

Othersnotsomuch · 16/08/2025 14:27

how awful for you

presumably live alone with no dependent children?

I think we can safely assume that! Otherwise the death book and welfare check wouldn't make any sense would it.

Othersnotsomuch · 16/08/2025 14:27

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:24

@Othersnotsomuch Yes. Because of my MH history and attempts iyswim. I'm closely monitored. I can't be sectioned because the local hospital's ward is full!

how awful for you

presumably live alone with no dependent children?

Zezet · 16/08/2025 14:27

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:22

Oh and I'm very good friends with my 91yr old neighbour. She has a crazy social life, far busier than mine! She knocks on my door or phones me if she's not seen me for a couple of days. I know if her curtains aren't opened then there's a problem. We both have keys to each others houses as well.

My grandmother used to have a similar arrangment with the neighbour across the street that the curtains must be up before Xam

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:24

@Othersnotsomuch Yes. Because of my MH history and attempts iyswim. I'm closely monitored. I can't be sectioned because the local hospital's ward is full!

DinoLil · 16/08/2025 14:22

Oh and I'm very good friends with my 91yr old neighbour. She has a crazy social life, far busier than mine! She knocks on my door or phones me if she's not seen me for a couple of days. I know if her curtains aren't opened then there's a problem. We both have keys to each others houses as well.