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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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JHound · 17/08/2025 13:32

Sausagenbacon · 17/08/2025 08:20

Re Land of the Free.
Pretty obvious, really, when you think where early immigrants came from.

I always found it funny the USA categorised itself that way when many Americans had ancestors who were trafficked there against their will!

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/08/2025 13:30

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:15

I know how it works thank you very much and it's clearly labour voters who have been selected!!

This post is proof you have zero idea how juries are selected.
🤣🤣🤣

JHound · 17/08/2025 13:30

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 12:42

People die due how bad the NHS treats people. The NHS is killing us. People die due to wait times and the such bad care we receive.

Sentencing guidelines only changed a few months ago. Before that the guidelines did say to give ethnic minorities lesser sentences

Idk about the protestor.

US Gun laws allow people to defend themselves from criminals and robbers. In the UK you are taught not to resist, in the USA you're taught "aim for center mass and shoot". You're allowed to defend yourself and your property.

The empire was a net force for good and was basically FDI. Just because people want to come here doesn't mean we should let them.

Sentencing guidelines only changed a few months ago. Before that the guidelines did say to give ethnic minorities lesser sentences

This is a lie. The guidelines named many factors that may be taken into consideration of which ethnicity (alongside factors gender, wealth, education) was one.

Ethnic minorities do not receive lesser sentences in the UK. As the data available on sentencing disparities makes quite clear.

The NHS is not “killing people”. Yes it does have waiting lists. But that is the downside of a system that ensures healthcare to all (all countries with universal healthcare has the same issue).

Without universal healthcare these people likely would have no access to healthcare and I am not sure how that is better.

Although you cannot expect sense from people who think “the empire was a net force for good”. This is what happens when people are not taught their history.

US gun laws are for US people to worry about but across the board US murder rates are far higher than our own.

JHound · 17/08/2025 13:22

The recent DC takeover is apparently illegal but his supporters don’t care about the law when it comes to him.

I don’t think it’s a dictatorship but this level of illegality and dodgy dealings in the ruling party of an alleged developed country is disturbing.

But then I remember the USA, comparatively speaking is a relatively new democracy (it’s been a proper democracy for about 60 years) so this kind of thing does not surprise me.

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 13:17

Menopausalsourpuss · 17/08/2025 13:07

Brilliant debunking of the argument 🙄

Sorry, I didn’t realise debunking an argument was compulsory.

Menopausalsourpuss · 17/08/2025 13:07

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 12:45

Jesus, I thought people with views like this were a myth. What a sheltered life I’ve led.

Brilliant debunking of the argument 🙄

DdraigGoch · 17/08/2025 12:58

Sausagenbacon · 17/08/2025 08:20

Re Land of the Free.
Pretty obvious, really, when you think where early immigrants came from.

The Puritans? They left Europe because they weren't allowed to force their extremist views on other people.

People from western Africa? They arrived in chains.

Irish people? They were escaping a famine, that's true. Were they any more free? There was a lot of discrimination against Irish people in the US back then.

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 12:45

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 12:42

People die due how bad the NHS treats people. The NHS is killing us. People die due to wait times and the such bad care we receive.

Sentencing guidelines only changed a few months ago. Before that the guidelines did say to give ethnic minorities lesser sentences

Idk about the protestor.

US Gun laws allow people to defend themselves from criminals and robbers. In the UK you are taught not to resist, in the USA you're taught "aim for center mass and shoot". You're allowed to defend yourself and your property.

The empire was a net force for good and was basically FDI. Just because people want to come here doesn't mean we should let them.

Jesus, I thought people with views like this were a myth. What a sheltered life I’ve led.

Ggxzc · 17/08/2025 12:42

bozzabollix · 17/08/2025 12:14

You live in the US, where people are regularly made bankrupt due to healthcare costs and you complain about the NHS?

Two tier justice is utter nonsense, a term made up by people who don’t want people they support to be punished for breaking laws.

I read this morning about a protesters arrest in the US, and you’re saying we have a loss of freedom of speech here?

As for feeling safe, I wouldn’t visit the US due to your ridiculous gun laws which make mass homicide pretty easy to achieve, but that can’t be amended because of the right to bear arms whilst your kids have to ponder which school will be the next.

As for unfettered illegal immigration, the world is an unstable place right now, we had an Empire that made English the most universal language and gave us the reputation of being the place of opportunity. Of course people will try and make it here (along with many European countries who take more refugees then we do).

People die due how bad the NHS treats people. The NHS is killing us. People die due to wait times and the such bad care we receive.

Sentencing guidelines only changed a few months ago. Before that the guidelines did say to give ethnic minorities lesser sentences

Idk about the protestor.

US Gun laws allow people to defend themselves from criminals and robbers. In the UK you are taught not to resist, in the USA you're taught "aim for center mass and shoot". You're allowed to defend yourself and your property.

The empire was a net force for good and was basically FDI. Just because people want to come here doesn't mean we should let them.

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 12:39

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:15

I know how it works thank you very much and it's clearly labour voters who have been selected!!

How was that managed? And by who?

soddingspiderseason · 17/08/2025 12:38

SamPM · 15/08/2025 21:22

I live in the US and its not a dictatorship. Many of us are quite happy with Trump. The UK elected Starmer who is the most incompetent and worthless PM in my lifetime. You should be worrying more about your loss of freedom of speech and civil liberties, the two-tier justice system you have, the crumbling NHS and the overwhelming increase in crime rate and unfettered illegal immigration. I no longer recognize the UK when I go back and definitely do not feel safe. But yes, by all means, have a superior smug dig at Trump and those that voted for him.

Oh what abject nonsense.

Bluebellwood129 · 17/08/2025 12:37

It absolutely is my opinion that Starner is an incompetent cretin and I stick by that!!

I agree with this though.

spoonbillstretford · 17/08/2025 12:36

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:34

Sorry where did I mention anything about reform??

You don't need to.

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Bluebellwood129 · 17/08/2025 12:35

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:34

In Europe. It's a statista report

It ranked 15th in Europe - hardly a shocking statistic for a major capital city.

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:34

spoonbillstretford · 17/08/2025 12:32

Oh give over. The Reform script is both dull and ridiculous.

Sorry where did I mention anything about reform??

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:34

Bluebellwood129 · 17/08/2025 12:23

Please provide data that supports London as one of the most dangerous cities - I assume you mean in the world? What metrics is this based on? I can't find any data that support this claim.

In Europe. It's a statista report

spoonbillstretford · 17/08/2025 12:32

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 09:23

Our country is in a diabolical mess!! It's a shit show, a complete and utter disgrace.
We have a two tier justice system, we have an incompetent cretin prime minister who is a compulsive liar.

Wake up and look at what's really going on here before you judge other countries.

Oh give over. The Reform script is both dull and ridiculous.

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Bluebellwood129 · 17/08/2025 12:23

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 10:18

I strongly suggest you look up Ricky Jones, the Manchester Airport brothers and Lucy Connelly and then come back to me and tell me there is not a 2 tier justice system in this country.

No people may not be being dragged off the street, instead we have masked people walking around stabbing instead. London is now classed as one of the most dangerous cities. Even Mexicans are being advised again travel to the UK....let that sink in!!

It absolutely is my opinion that Starner is an incompetent cretin and I stick by that!!

Why should I have to move to America when I just want equality and the country to be ran properly, how about you piss off & live somewhere else!!

Please provide data that supports London as one of the most dangerous cities - I assume you mean in the world? What metrics is this based on? I can't find any data that support this claim.

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:15

pointythings · 17/08/2025 12:09

Then you also do not understand how juries are chosen in the UK. It's completely different from the process used in the US.

Here, have some information so that you can educate yourself.

https://insidehmcts.blog.gov.uk/2024/05/07/understanding-the-jury-selection-process/

I know how it works thank you very much and it's clearly labour voters who have been selected!!

bozzabollix · 17/08/2025 12:14

SamPM · 15/08/2025 21:22

I live in the US and its not a dictatorship. Many of us are quite happy with Trump. The UK elected Starmer who is the most incompetent and worthless PM in my lifetime. You should be worrying more about your loss of freedom of speech and civil liberties, the two-tier justice system you have, the crumbling NHS and the overwhelming increase in crime rate and unfettered illegal immigration. I no longer recognize the UK when I go back and definitely do not feel safe. But yes, by all means, have a superior smug dig at Trump and those that voted for him.

You live in the US, where people are regularly made bankrupt due to healthcare costs and you complain about the NHS?

Two tier justice is utter nonsense, a term made up by people who don’t want people they support to be punished for breaking laws.

I read this morning about a protesters arrest in the US, and you’re saying we have a loss of freedom of speech here?

As for feeling safe, I wouldn’t visit the US due to your ridiculous gun laws which make mass homicide pretty easy to achieve, but that can’t be amended because of the right to bear arms whilst your kids have to ponder which school will be the next.

As for unfettered illegal immigration, the world is an unstable place right now, we had an Empire that made English the most universal language and gave us the reputation of being the place of opportunity. Of course people will try and make it here (along with many European countries who take more refugees then we do).

pointythings · 17/08/2025 12:09

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:06

The full video may have been shown but either way he said throats should be slit ffs he said them words. He is guilty.

I truly believe that jury were specially selected to find him not guilty. It's an absolute joke. It's corrupt and nothing or no one will change my mind on that.

Then you also do not understand how juries are chosen in the UK. It's completely different from the process used in the US.

Here, have some information so that you can educate yourself.

https://insidehmcts.blog.gov.uk/2024/05/07/understanding-the-jury-selection-process/

Understanding the jury selection process – Inside HMCTS

News and updates from the HM Courts & Tribunals Service

https://insidehmcts.blog.gov.uk/2024/05/07/understanding-the-jury-selection-process

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2025 12:09

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:07

I do understand it though and I believe they were hand picked very carefully to find him not guilty.

That’s not how jury selection works.

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:07

pointythings · 17/08/2025 12:06

Fortunately you will never know who they are. They did their civic duty, they don't need harrassment from people who don't understand the legal system.

I do understand it though and I believe they were hand picked very carefully to find him not guilty.

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:06

pointythings · 17/08/2025 12:02

It was on video I've seen it and heard it with my own ears and eyes so how is he NOT GUILTY

The video shown online was a small clip from a longer one. The longer video provided context. The jury at the trial will have had sight of the full video.

Apart from that, are you suggesting that we should abolish the jury system because it's returned a result you aren't happy with?

BTW I'm not happy with it either, but I'm not comparing it to a completely different case and complaining online.

The full video may have been shown but either way he said throats should be slit ffs he said them words. He is guilty.

I truly believe that jury were specially selected to find him not guilty. It's an absolute joke. It's corrupt and nothing or no one will change my mind on that.

pointythings · 17/08/2025 12:06

Champagneandpringles24 · 17/08/2025 12:03

I'd absolutely love to ask them.

Fortunately you will never know who they are. They did their civic duty, they don't need harrassment from people who don't understand the legal system.