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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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DBSFstupid · 15/08/2025 22:56

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 21:23

God knows why Brits think their opinions on Trump matter, or what they hope to achieve by lecturing supposedly dumb Americans on their stupidity. The US elected him. Their choice, no one else’s. Look at the state the UK is in. How are Brits in a position to pontificate to anyone?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:53

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

I can find one case where a young woman posted grossly offensive racist language from rap lyrics in relation to a 13 year old killed in a car crash. Nice. She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. Not locked up, more of a warning to not be so fucking stupid and horrible.

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TempestTost · 15/08/2025 22:53

Calling the US a dictatorship because you don't like their policies is massively silly.

There have been some interesting moves going on in Trump's second presidency around the US balance of powers. These haven't finished playing out yet. I suspect he'll win some, and lose others, but that's how political problems get solved. And deadlocks and inability to act has been a real problem in the US government to some extent and has become a contributor to political cynicism in the population and also polarisation.

For example, any backwater low level court judge being able to stop presidential orders etc for the whole country - lobbyists and political types have been using that to hamstring their opponents on both sides of the political divide, and it's a problem.

I think the US is in a period of its institutions being tested, which happens in governments, it's how they evolve.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:52

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:47

Because it was sealed by a judge until January 25.

Yeah the judge sealed it to protect Trump 😂

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:51

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

I think we should care about American politics despite not being British though, America is a huge influence and we have a close relationship.

But then we should also care about the politics of a lot of countries, just because we aren’t a national doesn’t mean we should t care. I care a lot about oppressed women in certain countries. I don’t come from there but I really fucking care about what’s happening to their citizens.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:51

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:44

Dreadful liberal news outlet. Read it before Trump blocks it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/23/immigrants-disappearing-us-cities

Anyone claiming they are scared are either illegal immigrants or idiotic scaremongers.

Democrats have done a good job pretending there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration so they can scare people. If you’re illegal you don’t have any right to work and live in the US, but somehow enforcing immigration laws is now racist yet Obama deported way more people than Trump.

The difference is Trump is putting up detrences to stop the bullshit at the borders where people fleeing for economic reasons falsely claim asylum and hand the system. But according to the guardian immigrants are SCARED to go out, what bullshit.

Do you notice her the article never mentions or clarifies if they ds legal or not, pretend there is no difference and use a catch all “immigrants”

They declare themselves sanctuary cities to attract illegal immigrants then pass laws to prohibit requiring IDs to vote, connect the dots on what they are doing but I guess you’re so woke they you can’t see it 😅

Lullabycrickets23 · 15/08/2025 22:51

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 21:00

Why do people throw around words like dictatorship and fascism these days without the slightest idea what they mean? It’s so tedious. Have they ever opened a history book?

I have read extensively about history and social psychology and political history. And I come from a country that experienced dictatorship.
I can guarantee you that that’s exactly how it starts. The rhetoric, the masses and the isolation and blame to specific groups. The power behind media and the propaganda about a return to a better time.
The final element? People that don’t see it and think it’s always about someone else’s country

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:34

We have laws against inciting racial hatred and against rioting, violence and causing criminal damage. People were charged, tried, and found guilty of breaking the law using lawful processes, and sentenced to a few months in prison. US sentencing is usually much harsher - people wouldn't see the light of day for years.

And now in the US people with the wrong coloured skin or accent are disappearing without lawful process or appeal. Get your own house in order. Good luck with voting out a dictator.

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:47

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:44

There was an attempted insurrection though...

I don't think Vance has the adoring followers that Trump has. I do agree he is also dangerous though.

My fear is that there is a growing confidence under Trump. The KKK haven’t been this confident in decades. So who will come after him? And how many people will now feel okay to vote for the next, potentially worse person? If someone like Trump can get in and someone like Vance can be his second, who knows who is next. Thee people are so dangerous. Like here, I don’t think Farage is as dangerous as other members of Reform are. But Trump and Farahe allow these people in and give them opportunities and platforms and it only gets worse. When we vote for men such as these, we allow a lot worse in through the back door.

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:47

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:43

There is literally no evidence that Trump engaged in anything like that, he’s he was friends with Epstein same as many other people and it’s documented that he cut ties with Epstein ages ago when rumors of the crap started but your man Andrew continued and was protected by her majesty his mummy.

if there was proof against Trump don’t you think Biden would have released it? They did everything to try to prevent him from running yet you think there’s proof against Trump and they didn’t use it?

Because it was sealed by a judge until January 25.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:45

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:42

Liberal news outlets? Right, I'll get straight onto authoritarian news outlets instead, as you famously get all sides of the story on those. 🙄

I don’t give a shit about CNN or fox, both crap and biased same with BBC.

the bullshit you’re typing sounds like the rubbish I see on Reddit where they act like everyone is being arrested and kidnapped docs I’m black and have no issues so cut the crack about people of colour, nonsense virtue signaling.

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:44

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:40

That’s true. But he relinquished it before despite threatening that he wouldn’t, I’m not sure he will be able to not. I think what comes af the r him could be more frightening. Vance frightens me more than Trump in many ways.

There was an attempted insurrection though...

I don't think Vance has the adoring followers that Trump has. I do agree he is also dangerous though.

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SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:43

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:39

You are horribly misinformed and frothing nonsense. Grooming gangs have been discovered, investigated, prosecuted and locked up. Unlike your President, best mates with Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't make the grooming argument if I were you, it's not a great look with the US's appalling record on women's and girl's rights and how sex crimes and unwanted pregnancy are dealt with. Get some maternity rights for a start like a civilised country.

There is literally no evidence that Trump engaged in anything like that, he’s he was friends with Epstein same as many other people and it’s documented that he cut ties with Epstein ages ago when rumors of the crap started but your man Andrew continued and was protected by her majesty his mummy.

if there was proof against Trump don’t you think Biden would have released it? They did everything to try to prevent him from running yet you think there’s proof against Trump and they didn’t use it?

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:42

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:37

Hahahaha people of colour are disappearing 😂

Im black and live in Chicago and based in your post I duck and hide everyday I have to go out to avoid disappearing 😂

Please get off social media and liberal news outlets 😂

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Liberal news outlets? Right, I'll get straight onto authoritarian news outlets instead, as you famously get all sides of the story on those. 🙄

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LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:42

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:40

And yet your precious Queen protected her pedophile son after he raped an underaged girl on Epstein’s island.

Bloody hypocrite.

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Yeah and both of those people behaved despicably.

Someone commenting about the US doesn’t have to turn into a U.K. vs US situation. We have problems, we’ve had bad management for some time now. But so has the US. Paedophilia and rape and control of women has been rife across the world and it’s getting worse. Making out that the U.K. also has issues - yes we know - doesn’t negate the problems under Trump’s America.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 15/08/2025 22:41

SamPM · 15/08/2025 21:22

I live in the US and its not a dictatorship. Many of us are quite happy with Trump. The UK elected Starmer who is the most incompetent and worthless PM in my lifetime. You should be worrying more about your loss of freedom of speech and civil liberties, the two-tier justice system you have, the crumbling NHS and the overwhelming increase in crime rate and unfettered illegal immigration. I no longer recognize the UK when I go back and definitely do not feel safe. But yes, by all means, have a superior smug dig at Trump and those that voted for him.

Fortunately illegal immigration in the UK is far lower than in the US, as is crime, We live our life free from religious bigotry and are able to speak and act freely without fear of an over zealous police or immigration service hauling us off the streets. Not only that, we don’t have the level of inequality or racism that pervades the US and manage to provide universal health care. The US is, in the rest of the world, seen as one of the nicest developing world countries however, so you’re doing okay ;)

SpuytenDuyvil · 15/08/2025 22:41

Trump is by far the worst president of the modern era. He is more malicious, more petty and more cruel than you might believe. It's shocking and horrifying. Most of the people who defend him on this site are not actually Americans. And, remember less than 30% of the voting population voted for him.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:40

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 21:45

You had Jeffrey Epstein and a massive grooming gang involving hundreds of American men, including your esteemed President.

You have twelve year olds being raped and unable to get an abortion. Hell, only a few years ago 12 year olds were getting married in some states.

And yet your precious Queen protected her pedophile son after he raped an underaged girl on Epstein’s island.

Bloody hypocrite.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:40

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:38

I wish I had your confidence. I don't think we'll know until we see if he will relinquish power at the end of this term.

That’s true. But he relinquished it before despite threatening that he wouldn’t, I’m not sure he will be able to not. I think what comes af the r him could be more frightening. Vance frightens me more than Trump in many ways.

YellowZebraStripes · 15/08/2025 22:40

It's generally accepted that Brits tend to stereotypically see the USA as, whatever you want to call it, thick headed. We just don't normally spout off about it, because we're British.

Anyhoo - now more than ever the battle of good over evil is won not by being divisive but looking at what we have in common. We all want a better future for the children of today. We might disagree on how to get there, who is to blame, and have deep valid concerns about whether people from different countries are going to share the same values - so the next 10-15 years are not going to be easy.

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:39

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:29

I love the way that poster phrased it… yeah we have a massive problem with grooming gangs and importing huge numbers of men from cultures quite different to our own, but we’ll gloss over that - at least we don’t have your particular problem!

As though that’s anything to boast about. Amazing that the UK, that supposed bastion of human rights, throws its own young girls under the bus as collateral damage in pursuit of that most prized virtue- tolerance. Forget the human rights of its own citizens, those girls, how inconvenient they’re spoiling the multicultural fantasy.

You are horribly misinformed and frothing nonsense. Grooming gangs have been discovered, investigated, prosecuted and locked up. Unlike your President, best mates with Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't make the grooming argument if I were you, it's not a great look with the US's appalling record on women's and girl's rights and how sex crimes and unwanted pregnancy are dealt with. Get some maternity rights for a start like a civilised country.

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lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:38

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:36

To be honest OP, I can’t stand the guy but I don’t think he’s a dictator and I don’t think America will reach dictatorship underneath him.

Do I think he is a rapist? Yes.
A misogynist? Yes.
Seriously dangerous to women, children and gay people? Yes.
A terrible fucking president? Yes.
An utter idiot? Yes.

But I don’t think he has reached dictatorship just yet and I don’t think he will achieve it. Even if he would like to.

I wish I had your confidence. I don't think we'll know until we see if he will relinquish power at the end of this term.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:38

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:36

Educate yourself… by reading fiction.

Make it make sense 😂

Wonder if people mentioning The Handmaid’s Tale have ever actually read it? Or any other books? Maybe a non-fiction book? A history book or two? I doubt it.

This is such a terrible argument I don’t know why I’m responding to it, and yet…

No, none of us have ever read books, fiction or non-fiction, or studied history. You’re right.

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:37

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 21:51

It's the Reform racist fuckwits who are trying to divide the country, fomenting hatred, and the Brexit that they wanted, and the last government who were corrupt and incompetent. The reasonable and rational majority must rise up and fight the minority extremists.

you have to read what you are posting and your wording....one can sense it ....all the words one uses usually refer to ....