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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:33

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:30

What do you mean by large numbers? That suggests you have statistics on white versus non-white immigrant rape rates. If so, provide them.
Rape is a problem all over the world, all nationalities, all cultures.

It really isn’t. I know you’d like to believe the multicultural fantasy, some of us prefer to live in the real world. Other European countries keep the statistics you refer to. The UK doesn’t. I wonder why?

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:33

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:25

Have large numbers of Swedish men, Australian men, Dutch men been raping and abusing little girls? I must have missed that. How strange

I also think it's massively hypocritical for you to complain about rape while indicating you support an adjudicated rapist who was thick as thieves with Epstein. Doesn't the cognitive dissonance make your head hurt?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:31

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:40

And yet your precious Queen protected her pedophile son after he raped an underaged girl on Epstein’s island.

Bloody hypocrite.

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Just so I'm clear. You're saying that the POTUS and Prince Andrew were friends of the notorious sex trafficker and rapist, Jeffrey Epstein, and regularly indulged in his "hospitality". Right?

Unfortunately trafficking, rape, child sex abuse and cruelty to women is rife all over the planet. It is seen as the disgusting cancer on society that it is, by right-minded people.

Despite that, America voted for an abusive bully, knowing that he was a multiple sex offender, liar, probable rapist, failed and corrupt businessman whose ass belongs to Russia.🤯

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:30

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:25

Have large numbers of Swedish men, Australian men, Dutch men been raping and abusing little girls? I must have missed that. How strange

What do you mean by large numbers? That suggests you have statistics on white versus non-white immigrant rape rates. If so, provide them.
Rape is a problem all over the world, all nationalities, all cultures.

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:26

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:17

Communism, lol. The UK is the most communist country right now

Neither of them are remotely communist FFS. Please educate yourself and learn what communism actually is.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:25

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:21

Your last paragraph is so Trumpy and smacks of racism. You assume immigrants are rapists, just like the orange thing once famously said. I would bet good money that attitude doesn't apply to white immigrants from, for example, Sweden, Holland or Australia.

Have large numbers of Swedish men, Australian men, Dutch men been raping and abusing little girls? I must have missed that. How strange

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 23:23

BloodandGlitter · 15/08/2025 23:21

Why are you all supporting a rapist? Grim.
If nothing else the man is a liar and a rapist.
Campaigns on releasing the Epstein files and then realised he was in there, so now they don't exist either.
There are a disturbing amount of powerful Republican Party members being locked up for child abuse right now too.
Tariffs on everything making it incredibly hard for people to run their businesses but selling it as America doesn't pay them! Stupid.
I wonder less at the lack of IQ and more at the lack of compassion of people who support rapist Donald Trump.

Yes I said this earlier. I don’t think he is a dictator but he’s a dangerous individual who has raped and supports rape of women and children. That’s enough for me, no matter what other good or bad he has and hasn’t done. A rapist should never be in such a position of power.

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:22

Lullabycrickets23 · 15/08/2025 22:51

I have read extensively about history and social psychology and political history. And I come from a country that experienced dictatorship.
I can guarantee you that that’s exactly how it starts. The rhetoric, the masses and the isolation and blame to specific groups. The power behind media and the propaganda about a return to a better time.
The final element? People that don’t see it and think it’s always about someone else’s country

Well said.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:22

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:53

I can find one case where a young woman posted grossly offensive racist language from rap lyrics in relation to a 13 year old killed in a car crash. Nice. She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. Not locked up, more of a warning to not be so fucking stupid and horrible.

A warning not be so fucking stupid and horrible?

Her friend died - she posted the lyrics of his favourite song as a tribute to him - and you think her punishment was fitting?

You’re out of your mind.

BloodandGlitter · 15/08/2025 23:21

Why are you all supporting a rapist? Grim.
If nothing else the man is a liar and a rapist.
Campaigns on releasing the Epstein files and then realised he was in there, so now they don't exist either.
There are a disturbing amount of powerful Republican Party members being locked up for child abuse right now too.
Tariffs on everything making it incredibly hard for people to run their businesses but selling it as America doesn't pay them! Stupid.
I wonder less at the lack of IQ and more at the lack of compassion of people who support rapist Donald Trump.

MuckFusk · 15/08/2025 23:21

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 21:48

What was the point in that exercise? All this ranting about orange rapists makes you sound unhinged.

You’ve listed all the ways you believe the UK is superior to the US. Good for you, you live here, that’s fine. What do you want, every single country on earth to be a carbon copy of this one? People are not the same - they have different cultures, different priorities. They’re allowed to. Just because you want it, doesn’t mean others have to. Don’t like the US? Dont live there. Why do you care so much? It’s none of your business.

And the tolerant UK you’re so proud of lets in masses of immigrant men to rape and abuse little girls - that’s the country you’re so proud of….

Your last paragraph is so Trumpy and smacks of racism. You assume immigrants are rapists, just like the orange thing once famously said. I would bet good money that attitude doesn't apply to white immigrants from, for example, Sweden, Holland or Australia.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 23:20

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:18

And how many people voted for Starmer?

Oh yes… 33%.

And again, you’re arguing this U.K. vs US thing when it shouldn’t be. No one here has defended Starmer. But that doesn’t mean people can’t discuss Trump. Bad Trump doesn’t equal good Starmer. Issues in the UK don’t negate problems in the US. The world is having serious problems, all countries have issues, no one is perfect. But that doesn’t mean we can’t discuss other countries. Thats a silly argument.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 15/08/2025 23:19

They’re not there yet but certainly on that path.

Terrifying.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 23:18

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:15

He’s not my president. Do you struggle with reading comprehension? How many times have I said I’m not an American. You’re expecting me to take this all this personally 😂

Yet you’re arguing that the OP is obsessed with him whilst you seem to be overly invested in defending him.

Again, we should all take note of politics in other countries. It’s important to be involved in world politics, not just your own country. The rest of the world also influences us. For examples the current plastics treaty in Geneva, as an example, will an affect us and it involves over 100 countries. Just because you don’t live in a country doesn’t mean you can’t care about its politics.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:18

SpuytenDuyvil · 15/08/2025 22:41

Trump is by far the worst president of the modern era. He is more malicious, more petty and more cruel than you might believe. It's shocking and horrifying. Most of the people who defend him on this site are not actually Americans. And, remember less than 30% of the voting population voted for him.

And how many people voted for Starmer?

Oh yes… 33%.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 15/08/2025 23:15

re dictatorship:

We could say Trump is trying to crack down on crime.

Or we could say he's testing the water of how far he can push Washington US citizens.

It's a bold move whatever it's intentions. Or does it feel like a bold move because of the way it's been reported/ portrayed?

www.euronews.com/2025/08/15/trump-deploys-hundreds-of-us-national-guard-troops-in-washington

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:15

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:39

You are horribly misinformed and frothing nonsense. Grooming gangs have been discovered, investigated, prosecuted and locked up. Unlike your President, best mates with Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't make the grooming argument if I were you, it's not a great look with the US's appalling record on women's and girl's rights and how sex crimes and unwanted pregnancy are dealt with. Get some maternity rights for a start like a civilised country.

He’s not my president. Do you struggle with reading comprehension? How many times have I said I’m not an American. You’re expecting me to take this all this personally 😂

TempestTost · 15/08/2025 23:11

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

And yet your examples are mainly stuff you don't like.

The idea that legislation around Big Pharma companies is horrible dictator stuff is kind of fascinating given the usual criticisms people on the left have made against American health care. Is it only big pharma that has to be given free reign - how about, say, medical insurance providers?

Many countries legislate what pharma companies can do and how they can sell and what kinds of prices they need to offer. Somehow it doesn't make them dictatorships.

There are real dictatorships out there, the thing they have in common is that the people have no way to choose their representatives, or in some cases, it's a sham. Think China, or Russia.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:11

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:04

So you agree the far right is emerging?

I said supposed ‘far right’.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:09

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:21

OK, so you do not see the many 12 year old girls raped here by the gangs and nobody doing anything about it....like really, where is the better part in this? A thread clearly about rivals the UK and the USA

Do you think children are not groomed, trafficked and raped in the US? Have you not heard of Jeffrey Epstein?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 15/08/2025 23:08

Trump would love to be a dictator.
He admires and envies them.

It'll be interesting to see what happens towards the end of his term.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:04

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:02

So tiresome, this type. No reasoning or debate to be had. So utterly convinced of their own superiority, full of self-righteousness, self satisfied and smug. And then when they see the supposed ‘far right’ emerging it’s surprised pikachu faces all round and wondering how it could have happened. Because leftists are incapable of discussion or accepting others have different views from their own.

So tolerant of all the characteristics that don’t actually matter and utterly intolerant of the one that does - diversity of thought. It’s why the left always ends up eating itself and degenerating into a purity spiral.

So you agree the far right is emerging?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:02

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:01

I have 100s of American fb friends, great large estates, doing what they want on them, home educating, private schools, foreign or local holidays, what dictator is allowing all this variety of private life and property....and free speech, yes, haha

A Capitalist kind of dictator.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 23:02

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

What dictatorship policies? An executive order for pharmaceutical companies to stop charging Americans way more than other countries?

an exec order to stop people crossing the border illegally and unauthorized?

an order that people in the country illegally should be deported?

policies to push companies to bring back manufacturing and jobs to the US rather than sending jobs to low cost countries at the detriment if Americans jobs? Which will also reduce dependence on china a rival?

policies to level the playing field when it comes to trade?

which one is dictatorial? How many people have been killed or arrested for demonstrating?

As I said I live in Chicago and there’s literally a constant protest near Trump tower with no one arrested but you claim he’s a dictator. Get off Reddit and leave Americans alone.

Did you have the same reaction when lower courts abuse their powers to frustrate a presidents policies even though they know it will get overturned at appeal but they just want to delay and frustrate the process?

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

TempestTost · 15/08/2025 22:53

Calling the US a dictatorship because you don't like their policies is massively silly.

There have been some interesting moves going on in Trump's second presidency around the US balance of powers. These haven't finished playing out yet. I suspect he'll win some, and lose others, but that's how political problems get solved. And deadlocks and inability to act has been a real problem in the US government to some extent and has become a contributor to political cynicism in the population and also polarisation.

For example, any backwater low level court judge being able to stop presidential orders etc for the whole country - lobbyists and political types have been using that to hamstring their opponents on both sides of the political divide, and it's a problem.

I think the US is in a period of its institutions being tested, which happens in governments, it's how they evolve.

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

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