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Grandson living with me and I'm struggling

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AngelicAbout · 15/08/2025 18:43

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My son briefly dated a woman for a few months and ended up having grandson (16, 17 at the end of the month). His mum was his resident parent until he was about 11, there's a long backstory but she chose a man over him/her other children (son isn't the father of his siblings). He also came out around this time and his mum tried to guilt trip him. My son had full custody of him from then. He hasn't seen his mum in year's but she does send the occasional message although I don't think he replies to her most the time.

2 years ago my son moved grandson up here with him, son is autistic and has mental health issues himself and was quite lonely down in their previous area and was struggling with grandson and his school refusal at his old school anyway.

They moved here summer 2023, they were living with myself and my husband and grandson started Y10 at his new school that September. From the off we had issues with him refusing to go, he hated it, had no friends etc and was angry at my son for moving him away from his friends. Son promised he could move back down south for him to start college in their old area (I'm not sure why he said this as I don't think this was the plan!

After a few months we had the education welfare team out many times, he was very behind at school and they weren't sure he’d catch up. They figured out he was working at a year 8 level, no sen although I do think he is autistic like my son but he gets defensive and says he isn't. We got him a tutor over zoom and he was still on the school roll. It was 2 hours a day and the plan was to continue with the tutor but slowly work up to him being in full time school. This never happened, he went in for a few hours but he started refusing again and also refused to engage with the tutor. He would lie and say it had been cancelled etc.
This year he was due to sit his GCSEs but that didn't happen, he's agreed to go to college and sit them but that doesn't look likely. He's fixated on what my son said 2 years ago about moving back down south (we’re in Manchester) for college. Anyway that's the education aspect. My son ended up moving out and grandson stayed living here.

Grandsons behaviour is awful, he barely leaves his room, his sleep schedule is all over the place, he sleeps all day and is awake all night playing games and on discord calls to people in America etc. He self harms and has threatened suicide but I don't know if he's serious or trying to be manipulative, drinks/smokes weed. He likes cooking but doesn't tidy up after himself. He shouts at me for simple things such as putting a t-shirt of his in the dryer, putting his clothes away in his drawer to try and be helpful. Calls me an old bitch and other things. He doesn't eat during the day he cooks at night. Manipulated my son into giving him money for a new PC as he broke his previous one by spilling juice on it. He then got a virus on the new PC within a few days. Last Christmas he lied to my son about me taking his Christmas money
My son might be evicted so will more than likely move back in and he's not happy at all, that's when he threatened suicide (again), told me I shouldn't give him money when he asks (it's not up to grandson though!), said his dad ignores him and only messages when he wants something which isn't true he tries to make an effort but grandson ignores his messages. He does message grandson if I haven't replied to ask if I'm awake/ask him to get me to call him etc but he does message other times too.

Sorry this post is so long. I've tried getting Camhs involved but the wait list is long and probably will turn 18 before we get an appointment and I doubt he'd engage anyway. School tried to get him to talk to the school counsellor but wouldn't

If anyone has questions I'll answer and there's things I've not included as I don't want to make it too long

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Needlenardlenoo · 18/08/2025 21:16

Why doesn't your son check with you each time that the information is correct?

To be honest I can see why your son can't parent!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/08/2025 20:02

My dd often wouldn’t speak to gp. They’d speak to us, but she had to acknowledge it on the phone.

AngelicAbout · 18/08/2025 19:56

Would the Gp talk to me or does it have to be him now he's almost 17? I don't think he'd talk to them himself and I'm worried about how open he was about wanting to self harm last night

I have tried talking to my son about not giving him money but he just gives in anyway when grandson messages asking for money for food etc saying we have none in (when we do), it's the only time grandson messages so I guess he doesn't want to say no as than grandson won't message him at all which I do get in a way, but I don't see how giving into him helps.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/08/2025 19:54

TheLivelyViper · 18/08/2025 18:02

The GP can prescribe and likely should in this case antidepressants - so ask them to do so, they can also look into other meds; anxiety meds, mood stabilisers, etc. But he likely can and should start with antidepressants.

They don’t prescribe you under 18.

We had to see a private pyschatrist when Dd was 16

Noelshighflyingturds · 18/08/2025 19:35

TheLivelyViper · 18/08/2025 18:02

The GP can prescribe and likely should in this case antidepressants - so ask them to do so, they can also look into other meds; anxiety meds, mood stabilisers, etc. But he likely can and should start with antidepressants.

Mixed with weed ? Fabulous idea

KinshipGran · 18/08/2025 19:06

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TheLivelyViper · 18/08/2025 18:02

AngelicAbout · 18/08/2025 17:45

Thank you, I'll look into that and tell him about it.

I know the MH services etc aren't the best but I have no way of getting him to engage or even just go to the GP to start getting help. Due to his age I assume CAMHS would need to be the ones to prescribe antidepressants? I could be wrong. It just feels like all he's doing it gaming and sleeping and that isn't helping his MH but I don't know what to do, especially because he's self harming and wants to. I just feel so helpless

The GP can prescribe and likely should in this case antidepressants - so ask them to do so, they can also look into other meds; anxiety meds, mood stabilisers, etc. But he likely can and should start with antidepressants.

AngelicAbout · 18/08/2025 17:45

Thank you, I'll look into that and tell him about it.

I know the MH services etc aren't the best but I have no way of getting him to engage or even just go to the GP to start getting help. Due to his age I assume CAMHS would need to be the ones to prescribe antidepressants? I could be wrong. It just feels like all he's doing it gaming and sleeping and that isn't helping his MH but I don't know what to do, especially because he's self harming and wants to. I just feel so helpless

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 18/08/2025 14:15

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 13:06

I'm not arm chair diagnosing, he's very similar to my son and has his own traits but he won't listen so I obviously can't force him to get assessed.

I didn't mind them moving in here, my son couldn't realistically work when he was refusing to go to school and he was lonely down south so the plan was to move in til he found his own place and got a new job here. Social housing wasn't an option as a poster said as the wait lists are very long, he found a place privately rented and he's living there now but the landlord wants to sell so he will be evicted. I will be happy for him to move in because I don't want him to be homeless, he has his own MH struggles and if he's homeless and has no job then that will make things worse for him. He's currently on his final warning at work so I do worry the eviction in turn will make him lose his job by not attending. I'm not currently retired, I WFH. Mine and husbands relationship isn't great but the house is in my name so realistically he can't say he wants grandson out

I have said this in an earlier post but perhaps you missed it.

Your son is entitled legally to a care act assessment. The social worker will be from your local council and they can also get him priority social housing as well as assess whether he needs a cleaner or a PA.

He can get a social housing home. He just has to go through the right channels.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 18/08/2025 12:05

IMO, realistically there is no help for autism for teenagers and adults, except self help, if you want to read up on it or join support groups? Ditto ADHD, apart from drugs.

Same with mental health - there’s drugs, and apart from a short course of CBT, waiting lists for psychotherapy, etc are long. Mental health services gaslight, bully and lie to patients.

DD2 with 10 years experience of community and inpatient services, says MH professionals tend to fall into one of several camps:

  1. they go into it because they are empathetic and caring
  2. people from group 1, but are burnt out and don’t care any more
  3. they go into it, because it’s a job and they can get a visa. They don’t care about patients, don’t understand them and have no empathy.
  4. A few from group 3 enjoy the power and mock vulnerable patients
Noelshighflyingturds · 18/08/2025 10:36

AngelicAbout · 18/08/2025 09:39

It's so difficult because he won't agree to help for his mental health/possible autism etc.

Last night he came down again asking for the razors back, I told him i’d thrown them away and he kicked off again, saying I ruin everything etc. I asked him why he wanted to self harm and he said no reason then he said he was bored because he didn't know what he wanted to play and then after that he went back to his room as if nothing happened. I don't know what to do now

You don’t do anything. You treat it like a toddler who wants to eat too much sugar before dinner and not get their nutrients.
You know best you’re not gonna give him any bloody razorblades so he’s not gonna self harm end of conversation. You handled it perfectly well
When you say any help for his mental health, what exactly do you think is out there? Helpwise ?

Shessweetbutapsycho · 18/08/2025 09:48

Your son needs to stop funding your grandson’s destructive behaviour (paying for his internet use all night and weed etc). I’m not sure how he funds it himself tbh since it sounds like his own employment record is at best patchy!
Start having some conversations with your son so he can practice how he’ll say no next time your grandson asks him for weed money. You sound like such a lovely person, but your good nature is well and truly being taken advantage of, not to mention your poor husband having to put up with all of this.

AngelicAbout · 18/08/2025 09:39

It's so difficult because he won't agree to help for his mental health/possible autism etc.

Last night he came down again asking for the razors back, I told him i’d thrown them away and he kicked off again, saying I ruin everything etc. I asked him why he wanted to self harm and he said no reason then he said he was bored because he didn't know what he wanted to play and then after that he went back to his room as if nothing happened. I don't know what to do now

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 21:26

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 21:17

I have stopped asking him to do things around the house as he'll kick off and not do it anyway! But when he came down earlier shouting at me it was totally out of the blue as I hadn't said anything and i’d taken the razors out of his room a few days ago and he knew this at the time

He is rarely pleasant, if he isn't shouting/kicking off he's ignoring me and not speaking to me at all

Living with his mum isn't an option at all, it wasn't the case of her sending him to live with my son, Social Services were involved and if my son refused to have him for whatever reason he would've gone into foster care.

Thank you @ArseInTheCoOpWindowi didn't realise that he could get it awarded fully. I might do what that poster suggested about trying to get an EHCP in first but I'm not sure if the college would agree straight away or if he'd agree to it himself

Edited

My dd didn’t want an EHCP. Again bribery worked wonders. She refused to speak to the educational pyschologist, but he said that in itself was enough to show her anxiety.

l suspect your dgs has severe anxiety. And is in ND burnout. The anxiety is driving his behaviour.

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 21:17

I have stopped asking him to do things around the house as he'll kick off and not do it anyway! But when he came down earlier shouting at me it was totally out of the blue as I hadn't said anything and i’d taken the razors out of his room a few days ago and he knew this at the time

He is rarely pleasant, if he isn't shouting/kicking off he's ignoring me and not speaking to me at all

Living with his mum isn't an option at all, it wasn't the case of her sending him to live with my son, Social Services were involved and if my son refused to have him for whatever reason he would've gone into foster care.

Thank you @ArseInTheCoOpWindowi didn't realise that he could get it awarded fully. I might do what that poster suggested about trying to get an EHCP in first but I'm not sure if the college would agree straight away or if he'd agree to it himself

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 20:59

AngelicAbout · 16/08/2025 16:57

I'm unsure whether he'd agreed tbh as there isn't anything “wrong” with him (his words). I do think he'd agree if I mentioned PIP but that's incredibly hard to get (my son was refused it) so if he was also refused that'd be another thing he was lied to about is that could make things more difficult in the long run

My dd got the full award when she was nocturnal and hiding in her room.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 17/08/2025 20:56

You've no chance as son is not supporting you but thwarting you at every turn. Grandson needs to live by your rules or go and live with father or mother.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 20:33

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 20:26

Thank you, that could work but it's his birthday just over a week later so he knows he'll be getting money then so it may not!

I planned to have a proper talk with him this evening but he's not long woken up and he's already in a mood, he totally kicked off re the razors that I took the other day, he accused me of stealing his stuff, called me a fucking bitch and said he expects them back. It's just so tiring that the only time he talks to me is to kick off

I’m sorry 😔

Have you tried ‘low demand approach?’

Offer options
Praise and reward
Reduce demand as much as possible.

He sounds very troubled but also ND

Is he ever pleasant?

School refusal often co incides with the start of burnout. This sounds very much like what may have happened. To move him to a new place in the middle of burnout may have made it worse.

What’s his hygiene like? He also sounds potential PDA

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 20:26

Thank you, that could work but it's his birthday just over a week later so he knows he'll be getting money then so it may not!

I planned to have a proper talk with him this evening but he's not long woken up and he's already in a mood, he totally kicked off re the razors that I took the other day, he accused me of stealing his stuff, called me a fucking bitch and said he expects them back. It's just so tiring that the only time he talks to me is to kick off

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 17:44

I know this sounds pathetic. I have a ND child. It’s been a struggle with education at time.

Cash incentives work very well. Better than anything else < bitter experience>

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 17:41

Thank you, I was just wondering what day would be less busier etc but I'm sure they'll all be the same. My son doesn't have work on Thursday so he has said he'll be able to come if he'll actually go, I'm not sure if that'll make him more reluctant to go though. It's just so hard

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InASimilarBoatAndSinking · 17/08/2025 17:18

Take him on the 21st. Use whatever bribery is necessary to get him there.
That gives you the 22nd as back up for if 21st goes awry. Wishing you the best of luck and hope it works out for you all x Shamrock

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 17/08/2025 17:15

Take him to whatever he'll go to! Bribe him with McDonald's afterwards if it will help. If he kicks off, go back home, and try taking him another day.

Inshockandsome · 17/08/2025 17:06

Take him on the first date possible and encourage him to give it a try.

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 16:48

Enrollment for 16-18 is this week on the 21st and 22nd, then the rest of the dates are for everyone. Which date would be best to (try) take him? I'm unsure whether they'll have space on the course I posted about yesterday but it's worth a try, otherwise we’d have to see what was left

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