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Why is everyone hating on London

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greenwichvillage · 15/08/2025 15:04

Recently a lot posts I read on social media is about how much people hate London. Its has been called all sorts of names - cesspit, dirty, crime ridden and the foreigners have taken over. They don't recognise London anymore and they are glad they have moved to whiter areas with cheaper housing.

For context, I have lived here all my life, lived in North West London and now live in Southwest London. I admit there are parts of London that have deteriorated, equally there part parts of London that are really nice. Yes it is expensive to live in and properties are expensive but that does not make it a cesspit.

I love living where I am and I love all that London has to offer. I'm not English but I am British and I'm not white and I feel really safe here in London. Yes there are problems with crime, but there is crime everywhere.

I have been to other areas in the UK and really none of it appeals to me, I have been to beautiful country side and small towns and cities and tbh I would get bored after two days there. But I would never go as far as insulting it which people seem to do quite a lot with London.

I think Farage/ Reform and Tommy have a lot to answer for.

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noblegiraffe · 15/08/2025 16:25

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:21

By investing money into boroughs to fund their special needs education provisions

Do people think that special needs provision is better in other parts of the country??

London schools outperform the rest of the country by quite a large amount too.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:23

greenwichvillage · 15/08/2025 16:18

So you're against having clean air and safer streets for pedestrians. I hardly use my car in London now as it is far easier using public transport.

No, i'm against how difficult it is to drive around london, especially for the disabled who cant just hop on a bike

Plus, the many other problems that I mentioned.

Fern95 · 15/08/2025 16:22

Some bits of London are awful, I've lived in Catford, Peckham, Lewisham, Deptford - all a bit run down, lots of graffiti everywhere, people on drink/drugs asking for money outside the shops etc. High streets full of empty shops! Where are the nice bits of London that you've lived in?

The places we go regularly that are actually nice - Blackheath, Hither Green, Nunhead, Dulwich are a bit village - like which is ironic.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:21

kirinm · 15/08/2025 16:14

How is he meant to come up with extra school places?

By investing money into boroughs to fund their special needs education provisions

greenwichvillage · 15/08/2025 16:18

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:05

Maybe its because i'm a londoner

In all seriousness, I love being a londoner. But there are big problems down to sadiq khan 😭, hes a terrible terrible mayor. I'm a life long leftie but I briefly contemplating voting for the opposition in the last election (but she was also shite)

All hes done is raise capital for city hall with ulez and 20mph zones - literally everything else is going to shit because of him

No rent controls, no universal food help during school holidays, a struggle for school places for disabled children, schools closing down, crime is INSANE

But its not as bad as people make out. Some are just jealous they cant afford to live here.

Best city in the world, imo, despite the mayor x

So you're against having clean air and safer streets for pedestrians. I hardly use my car in London now as it is far easier using public transport.

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kirinm · 15/08/2025 16:14

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:05

Maybe its because i'm a londoner

In all seriousness, I love being a londoner. But there are big problems down to sadiq khan 😭, hes a terrible terrible mayor. I'm a life long leftie but I briefly contemplating voting for the opposition in the last election (but she was also shite)

All hes done is raise capital for city hall with ulez and 20mph zones - literally everything else is going to shit because of him

No rent controls, no universal food help during school holidays, a struggle for school places for disabled children, schools closing down, crime is INSANE

But its not as bad as people make out. Some are just jealous they cant afford to live here.

Best city in the world, imo, despite the mayor x

How is he meant to come up with extra school places?

mumofoneAloneandwell · 15/08/2025 16:05

Maybe its because i'm a londoner

In all seriousness, I love being a londoner. But there are big problems down to sadiq khan 😭, hes a terrible terrible mayor. I'm a life long leftie but I briefly contemplating voting for the opposition in the last election (but she was also shite)

All hes done is raise capital for city hall with ulez and 20mph zones - literally everything else is going to shit because of him

No rent controls, no universal food help during school holidays, a struggle for school places for disabled children, schools closing down, crime is INSANE

But its not as bad as people make out. Some are just jealous they cant afford to live here.

Best city in the world, imo, despite the mayor x

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Shellyash · 15/08/2025 16:05

I hate London. I hate crowds of people, I hate shops, I hate traffic. Nothing to do with foreigners and phone thieves - that's just the icing on the cake as to why I don't go there unless dragged kicking and screaming. Most of my family love it and think I am dead boring.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/08/2025 16:04

YourFavouriteFalafel · 15/08/2025 15:50

Some people just really hate Muslims, many of whom live (well) in London. I think it boils down to that alone in regards to the "London is ruined" rhetoric online.

As an outsider I wouldn't have thought London had a large Muslim population.
I assumed that it was mostly white, then black people.
I'd associate Birmingham, Leicester, and Bradford with a Muslim populations.
Not that it matters, or is it mainly the mayor that people dislike?
Muslim communities makes up 6% of the UK population, a tiny percentage.

BlackRoseRed · 15/08/2025 16:00

I love London, I love the people - diverse and accepting, I never feel as though I’m weird in London.

I don’t live there but I’ve always had family that do so I visit. Personally, I wouldn’t want to live in such a busy city but I do love to visit.

Thepeopleversuswork · 15/08/2025 15:59

London hating has been a phenomenon for many years (seen many threads on here about it over many years) but the hard right are now tactically juicing it to stoke division.

There's always been a tendency of some people to turn London into a totem for things they don't understand and are frightened of. Some of it is racism and people being uncomfortable with the idea that people from all over the world (generally) rub along together. Some of it is hatred of a supposed "metropolitan elite" and a suspicion that there's a cabal of upper middle class types who control the rest of the country through their networks. Some of it is just anxious and slightly timid people who haven't left their home town/region very much and have a wildly distorted view of what London is like and imagine there is a mugger with a knife on every street corner despite the fact that knife crime is actually lower than it has been for many years.

The Trump/Farage/Robinson tendency has cannily identified that there's capital to be made in identifying London as a hellhole and they have turned this into a running narrative.

I do think its rude, hypocritical and prejudiced for people who have been somewhere a handful of times to describe it as a cesspit. It's also very noticeable that these words are rarely applied to other large UK cities which by and large have the same, or worse, problems with crime/deprivation. If anyone described Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester, Leeds or Cardiff as a "cesspit" on here they would rightly be torn a new one. But somehow because its London anything goes.

Honestly I don't really care what people outside London think of London. I've lived here happily for 30 years and will probably never leave. Anyone who wants to come here is welcome, anyone who thinks its a "cesspit" can stay where they are and keep their bigotry.

YelloDaisy · 15/08/2025 15:58

OneNeatBlueOrca · 15/08/2025 15:45

I'm always shocked when I leave london about how would run down some places are.

There is a thread on here about how grotty cambridge is. I went to canterbury for the first time a few months ago, and I was shocked by it. Outside of the cathedral quarters, it's pretty grim. Lots of rough people and being harassed by youths, among others. This was in only two days of being there.

As for saying, it's run down and grotty, take a look at liverpool and the areas around it birkenhead, Ellesmere port... Utter dumps.

If it was up to me, I would turn london into a city state. It already has the orbital motorway m25 as a natural barrier to build a border. Turn it into a city state like singapore, and then london can keep every last penny of taxes generated for itself and the rest of the country can do one.

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And do you go out on the streets cleaning and tidying-no ? You pay your council tax exactly the same as people in Cantebury and Liverpool - but you get loads of Gov money too unlike the rest of the country
edit -in fact you probably pay less council tax than people in Liverpool

YourFavouriteFalafel · 15/08/2025 15:58

Also, racists really don't like seeing people they believe are beneath them live lives that are financially unattainable to them. It makes them froth at the mouth.

Wonderwendy · 15/08/2025 15:58

I love living in London and I hate crowds. For the most part people who say they hate London because of the crowds / dirtiness don't know London at all.
OBVIOUSLY if you spend your time here in Oxford Street, Leicester Sq and Madame Tussauds you're going to get the impression that it's a dirty, busy shit hole but nobody from London really spends any time in those areas.
And there really isnt much crime. Sure compared to the Scottish Highlands there most probably is, but it's one of the safest capital cities in the world. And that public transport is bloody brilliant. I love that I hardly need to use my car.
And it's an absolute myth that Londoners are unfriendly or rude.
When I was pregnant (and wore a badge so people didn't have the is she or isn't she) I never stood on my commute once. Every day someone got up to give me a seat.
But if you stop right at the top of the escalator at Victoria station to sort out your suitcases then yes you'll poss people off. Because they can't stop they're on an escalator! And they see the same ridiculous crap every day, so patience wears a bit thin.

Enigma53 · 15/08/2025 15:55

I’ve never lived in London, but lived in a commuter town until my late 30’s.
I loved visiting and exploring London, but was always glad to get back on the train to home. I found it to be an exhilarating, exhausting, liberating and fascinating city however.

Now, in my mid 50’s and not in best of health, I’ve opted for a quieter life. Manchester and Liverpool are my nearest cities and whilst I don’t feel the same vibe as London, they offer good fixes of city life ( for me).

I suppose OP, you would be bored anywhere else. London is like its own country ; vibrant, diverse, exciting!

Property prices no doubt vary In London, but only 30 mins from where I am living, we are talking footballers wives lifestyle and house prices to match!

When DP and I visited London last summer, we loved it and was strangely sad to leave.

greenwichvillage · 15/08/2025 15:50

YourFavouriteFalafel · 15/08/2025 15:50

Some people just really hate Muslims, many of whom live (well) in London. I think it boils down to that alone in regards to the "London is ruined" rhetoric online.

yes very true

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greenwichvillage · 15/08/2025 15:50

namechangedtemporarily123 · 15/08/2025 15:49

I’m on a community Facebook page for people living in my particular area of London. I use it for things like updates on roadworks and the like. It is rammed full of ex residents who pop up frequently to tell the rest of us how it’s become a shithole and that they’re so glad they moved to Sussex/ Suffolk/ Devon/ Dorset etc. Drives me mad and wastes my time, I’m not interested in the opinion of my lovely neighbourhood from someone who lives hundreds of miles away.

Yes this exactly, I feel they need to justify that they are happy leaving London but putting London down

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YourFavouriteFalafel · 15/08/2025 15:50

Some people just really hate Muslims, many of whom live (well) in London. I think it boils down to that alone in regards to the "London is ruined" rhetoric online.

namechangedtemporarily123 · 15/08/2025 15:49

I’m on a community Facebook page for people living in my particular area of London. I use it for things like updates on roadworks and the like. It is rammed full of ex residents who pop up frequently to tell the rest of us how it’s become a shithole and that they’re so glad they moved to Sussex/ Suffolk/ Devon/ Dorset etc. Drives me mad and wastes my time, I’m not interested in the opinion of my lovely neighbourhood from someone who lives hundreds of miles away.

LittleArithmetics · 15/08/2025 15:48

It's always been a thing for the rest of the UK to make uninformed derogatory comments about London, and now that has merged with right wing talking points.

Cyclebabble · 15/08/2025 15:46

London is a great city. I have always been proud to work there. So many different sites, ethnicities and opportunities. It is a really exciting place. I have never felt it to be a dangerous place ever.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 15/08/2025 15:45

I'm always shocked when I leave london about how would run down some places are.

There is a thread on here about how grotty cambridge is. I went to canterbury for the first time a few months ago, and I was shocked by it. Outside of the cathedral quarters, it's pretty grim. Lots of rough people and being harassed by youths, among others. This was in only two days of being there.

As for saying, it's run down and grotty, take a look at liverpool and the areas around it birkenhead, Ellesmere port... Utter dumps.

If it was up to me, I would turn london into a city state. It already has the orbital motorway m25 as a natural barrier to build a border. Turn it into a city state like singapore, and then london can keep every last penny of taxes generated for itself and the rest of the country can do one.

JacknDiane · 15/08/2025 15:45

I love London and always did.

Vvvvvvvvv · 15/08/2025 15:43

I always say the best that about visiting London is knowing I get to leave 🤣 I can cope with it for a few days but I find it so claustrophobic and it operates such a depressive affect on my mood! However, I live in the literal highlands (which I LOVE) and I’m fully aware most people would choose London over that any day!!

CoffeeCantata · 15/08/2025 15:43

Mansionscoldandgrey · 15/08/2025 15:41

Team Samuel Johnson here:
"When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life"

Hmmm…Samuel Johnson’s London was a VERY different animal. More like a village.