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AIBU charging electric car without asking at Air BnB

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Needanadultgapyear · 15/08/2025 08:38

We have an annex, it must remain part of the main property for planning purposes and therefore can not be on long term let as a separate home. We offer it on Air BnB it is near a major tourist attraction and a main road connect several UK ports to central and North England.
Our insurance excludes specifically charging electric cars, we put this in our listing and we are 5 minutes from a super fast charging point. If people ask I politely explain that we do not allow electric car charging and point them to the super fast charger.
We had guests a few days ago and DH noticed a wire from a bedroom to the car. So he went round and asked if they were charging. They claimed they were only charging mobile phones, but the wire did disappear.

I feel like this is CFery, but in RL people have said oh well it’s only a few pence.

OP posts:
flightissue · 16/08/2025 08:46

LeedsLoiner · 15/08/2025 08:54

Given the increase in electric car use if you want your letting to succeed in the long term then you should fit a proper charging point and tell your guests that there is a small supplement for using it.
I'm confused by the insurance issue - does that mean that if you get an electric car you can't charge it at home ?

This is rubbish. OP has said there is a super fast charger near by. It’s cheeky to just plug your car in. I have an electric car and wouldn’t dream of doing this and so long as there were public charging facilities in the vicinity it wouldn’t put me off booking.

you should only charge an electric car if your fuse box can manage it. It might cause an overload using the 3 pin option. I wouldn’t plug ours in randomly because you don’t know if the electrics are sufficient.

LameBorzoi · 16/08/2025 08:39

Genevieva · 16/08/2025 07:07

Tell her insurance company.

Because some insurance companies don't gouge or use any excuse to avoid paying out.

LameBorzoi · 16/08/2025 08:38

Needanadultgapyear · 15/08/2025 08:51

DH is in the motor industry and feels that they are an environmental disaster waiting to happen with battery disposal. His opinion is that biofuels are the long term future.
For Air BnB’s precluding charging of electric cars from 3 pin plugs is very normal as a host you can not confirm that the the 3 pin plug and wire is not damaged in any way. I am literal 5 mins if that from a super fast charging point at a fuel station with a coffee shop. Most of our lovely guests go have a coffee and charge their car.

The lead to the car? To charge a car you need specific car cables that have all sorts of safety things in them.

Scooter fires can be a problem, because they have cheap batteries. Car batteries have lots of safeguards.

Genevieva · 16/08/2025 07:07

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 18:54

“Thatcham Research, the UK motor insurers’ research centre, conducted research from 2018 to 2020. They found that 0.001% of plug-in hybrids and 0.003% of range extended electric vehicles were the subject of fire claims. That was lower than the 0.007% of petrol vehicles and 0.011% of diesel vehicles.”

https://www.portskillsandsafety.co.uk/about/news/statistics-on-vehicle-fires-comparing-electric-and-non-electric-vehicles/#:~:text=Non%2Delectric%20vehicles%2C%20however%2C,those%20responding%20to%20EV%20fires.

The fires are more intense I grant you but they are also significantly less likely to happen. That's 1 in 100,000 plug in hybrid cars it happens to. Very rare.

Tell her insurance company.

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 18:54

Genevieva · 15/08/2025 09:04

Have you not seen the news stories about electric cars exploding? Rare, yes, but if you have a different car being charged adjacent to your house every week, the risk goes up.

I think it’s unreasonable electricity consumption. Theft actually, as it’s explicitly excluded from the contract.

“Thatcham Research, the UK motor insurers’ research centre, conducted research from 2018 to 2020. They found that 0.001% of plug-in hybrids and 0.003% of range extended electric vehicles were the subject of fire claims. That was lower than the 0.007% of petrol vehicles and 0.011% of diesel vehicles.”

https://www.portskillsandsafety.co.uk/about/news/statistics-on-vehicle-fires-comparing-electric-and-non-electric-vehicles/#:~:text=Non%2Delectric%20vehicles%2C%20however%2C,those%20responding%20to%20EV%20fires.

The fires are more intense I grant you but they are also significantly less likely to happen. That's 1 in 100,000 plug in hybrid cars it happens to. Very rare.

Statistics on vehicle fires: comparing electric and non-electric vehicles - Port Skills & Safety

Lithium-ion batteries are widely used in electric vehicles (EVs), portable electronics, and renewable energy storage, and come with a unique set of risks.

https://www.portskillsandsafety.co.uk/about/news/statistics-on-vehicle-fires-comparing-electric-and-non-electric-vehicles/

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 14:01

Elbowpatch · 15/08/2025 10:44

The difference is that an ICE car fire can be relatively easily extinguished.

Extinguishing an EV fire can be “challenging”.

It's such an overstated risk, though, as it's so ridiculously rare. It's like saying "don't go to the beach, because that's where tsunamis happen".

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 13:55

Mandoidi · 15/08/2025 10:52

Full charges only?
Is this a full ev? Which manufacturer?
I thought wisdom was keep it between 20 and 80.
A full charge on 3kw would take ages to go to full
Maybe things have changed since I first got my car

It depends on the battery chemistry. Iron batteries ideally should be charged to full every week or so. Mind you, they are so indestructible, it barely matters.

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 13:52

Mandoidi · 15/08/2025 09:38

I'm an EV owner. Trickle charge (3 pin plug) should only be used in an emergency to give you enough charge to get to the nearest charging point.

It's also insanely slow and really really not worth bothering as a regular way to charge.

This is from my manufacturer (kia)

I'm also an EV owner, and regular trickle charging is considered fine by the manufacturer of my car. Plugging it in every night is the whole point! You don't have to think about it!

Mynewnameis · 15/08/2025 13:50

My relative had this same issue with cf guests. Insurance also excluded it

Letstheriveranswer · 15/08/2025 13:47

EasternSkies · 15/08/2025 10:09

Hahaha that charging a car battery is similar to using a hair dryer.

OP: the truth is that AirBnB / holiday cottage guests routinely break all rules. Dogs allowed but not in the sofa or upstairs? I stayed in a cottage with those rules with my (lovely and otherwise reasonable) friend and within minutes the dog was on the beautiful velvet sofas and slept on the bed. I stayed in a cottage every year with those rules and I can tell dogs have been on the sofa. And know they go upstairs.

My Mum used to rent her house out: no household linens / soft furnishings to go outside. I actually saw her guests in the beach with her lovely woollen sofa throws.

So electricity theft / fire risk are doubtless standard these days.

People are really just shit aren't they....

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 15/08/2025 13:35

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 12:25

Ten years? The batteries being made now should go for decades and decades. They are still good for house batteries once they don't hold enough charge for a car.

Ten years plus is what I said 🙄

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 12:25

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 15/08/2025 10:57

Oh, I don't know. I'm happy enough if there's a supercharger within 5-10 miles of where I am. I would always ask the owner if I could charge the car first even if they had a charger, unless it had been advertised to me that I could, and I certainly wouldn't be trickle charging out of a window.

OP - most batteries in EVs now last ten years+ and the technology on recycling batteries is constantly improving. My neighbour feels the same way as your husband (is also in the motor trade) but my view is that EVs aren't going away any time soon and your property would certainly be more appealing to me as a holidaymaker or business traveller if I could charge my car overnight there.

Ten years? The batteries being made now should go for decades and decades. They are still good for house batteries once they don't hold enough charge for a car.

Timeforabitofpeace · 15/08/2025 11:46

If you have a point put in, I assume you’d need to charge more, to cover the cost of that plus the electricity.

RB68 · 15/08/2025 11:05

The fire hazard comes from trying to charge off a 3 pin plug - they may or may not be safe (how would you know have they had it tested?) and it going into a standard prob double socket - how is the house wiring!!! This kind of charging is generally older electric cars so could be increased risk. I would put signs by the sockets likely to be used and say not suitable for car charging due to house power rating or something. 95% of people have no clue how to assess whether that is true or not to be fair. I would also make sure that there is a notice on the fridge (the oracle!) that tells them where nearest different types of chargers are - most supermarkets now have good fast chargers so a 30 min shop will get them to 80%. You only have the one let so installing a charger when you don't have an electric is a bit of an extravagance given its 800 to 1k generally. The cost doesn't seem high till you work out what a full charge is on your power rates and multiply that by how many nights you let out the accom - so 8 quid isn't much until you multiply by say 30 for a low key rental and then its 240 quid which is quite alot to take off the bottom line

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 15/08/2025 10:57

SnackAckerTack · 15/08/2025 10:16

Personally while I wouldn't charge an EV if specified on the booking that it was not allowed, I would not be happy at having to go 5 mins away to get it charged.

I echo others, upgrade your insurance and get a proper point put in

Oh, I don't know. I'm happy enough if there's a supercharger within 5-10 miles of where I am. I would always ask the owner if I could charge the car first even if they had a charger, unless it had been advertised to me that I could, and I certainly wouldn't be trickle charging out of a window.

OP - most batteries in EVs now last ten years+ and the technology on recycling batteries is constantly improving. My neighbour feels the same way as your husband (is also in the motor trade) but my view is that EVs aren't going away any time soon and your property would certainly be more appealing to me as a holidaymaker or business traveller if I could charge my car overnight there.

Mandoidi · 15/08/2025 10:52

TY78910 · 15/08/2025 10:45

My car manufacturer says it should be treated like charging a phone, don’t just plug it in when and where, do it for full charges only 🤷🏼‍♀️

Full charges only?
Is this a full ev? Which manufacturer?
I thought wisdom was keep it between 20 and 80.
A full charge on 3kw would take ages to go to full
Maybe things have changed since I first got my car

TY78910 · 15/08/2025 10:45

Mandoidi · 15/08/2025 10:17

I don't know about completely fine, Kia still tell you that a cable with an ICCB is not for everyday use

https://www.kiapartsuk.com/kia-ev-charger-cable-12062-p.asp

My car manufacturer says it should be treated like charging a phone, don’t just plug it in when and where, do it for full charges only 🤷🏼‍♀️

Elbowpatch · 15/08/2025 10:44

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 10:25

The risk of your ICE car catching fire is far greater.

The difference is that an ICE car fire can be relatively easily extinguished.

Extinguishing an EV fire can be “challenging”.

Clearinguptheclutter · 15/08/2025 10:26

Needanadultgapyear · 15/08/2025 09:26

Two have caught fire locally to us in the last month - the damaged they cause is immense and the fire brigade almost have to stand and watch them burn whilst they melt concrete.

I can believe this but before others leap in on EVs being a fire hazard it will be the fault of the electric socket or possibly the cable not the car itself. We use the three pin plug sometimes for our car but only because we know its safe as recently installed.

OP - in your shoes I'd consider putting a charger which will make your property more attractive. The occupiers were CF for charging without you asking. We have asked nicely int he past and left a tip to cover the cost. How much it actualy costs will vary wildy. Charging our car overnight costs very little but thats because we have a special EV overnight tariff which most people don't.

ChompandaGrazia · 15/08/2025 10:26

Because the EV is charging for several hours at a time. If you are using a ‘granny’ charger (3 pin plug) rather than a proper EV charger it puts a huge strain on the house electrical circuit for an extended time. When you get a proper EV charger installed they an extra breakers and stuff.

LameBorzoi · 15/08/2025 10:25

Genevieva · 15/08/2025 09:04

Have you not seen the news stories about electric cars exploding? Rare, yes, but if you have a different car being charged adjacent to your house every week, the risk goes up.

I think it’s unreasonable electricity consumption. Theft actually, as it’s explicitly excluded from the contract.

The risk of your ICE car catching fire is far greater.

Locutus2000 · 15/08/2025 10:24

TheFairyCaravan · 15/08/2025 09:45

I have an EV and wouldn’t charge it at an Air BnB unless there was a charging point and the option was given.

Two have caught fire locally to us in the last month - the damaged they cause is immense and the fire brigade almost have to stand and watch them burn whilst they melt concrete

Two ICE cars have caught fire locally to me in this past week, one on a petrol station forecourt and one outside the local chemist. You can imagine the damage that’s done.

This thread is beginning to sound like a scaremongering attempt at EVs tbh

A petrol or diesel engined car does not burn with anything like the intensity of a battery fire, and the fire brigade can sort them out with foam.

Lithium batteries are almost impossible to extinguish, they pretty much have to watch them burn.

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Electric vehicle fires: Where the waiting game wins

Firefighters love testing new tactics and tools, but some methods simply don’t address the key issue with EV fires

https://www.firerescue1.com/electric-vehicles/articles/electric-vehicle-fires-where-the-waiting-game-wins-f934UedqIpVqc1k2/#:~:text=The%20truth%20of%20the%20matter,for%206%20to%208%20hours.

TheFairyCaravan · 15/08/2025 10:20

FWIW when I had my EV charger fitted I phoned my house insurance company, they told me I hadn’t needed to notify them but they’d make a note on my policy anyway.

Mandoidi · 15/08/2025 10:17

TY78910 · 15/08/2025 09:49

I think you’ve misinterpreted the point you highlighted. Trickle charging relates to using a straight 3-pin plug without the ICCB (big rectangle box attached to the cable). Most EV is sold with one of those and they are (as the instructions you’ve sent suggest) completely fine.

I don't know about completely fine, Kia still tell you that a cable with an ICCB is not for everyday use

https://www.kiapartsuk.com/kia-ev-charger-cable-12062-p.asp

AIBU charging electric car without asking at Air BnB
SnackAckerTack · 15/08/2025 10:16

Needanadultgapyear · 15/08/2025 08:51

DH is in the motor industry and feels that they are an environmental disaster waiting to happen with battery disposal. His opinion is that biofuels are the long term future.
For Air BnB’s precluding charging of electric cars from 3 pin plugs is very normal as a host you can not confirm that the the 3 pin plug and wire is not damaged in any way. I am literal 5 mins if that from a super fast charging point at a fuel station with a coffee shop. Most of our lovely guests go have a coffee and charge their car.

Personally while I wouldn't charge an EV if specified on the booking that it was not allowed, I would not be happy at having to go 5 mins away to get it charged.

I echo others, upgrade your insurance and get a proper point put in

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