M&S quality so poor now

True. I've always bought my basics in MnS, even when I was a trendy young thing, so bras, knickers, tights, t-shirts. They lasted for years and the t-shirts kept their shape. Now they go all misshapen after the first wash and no amount of pulling rescues them.

Sizing also weird, some size 16 jeans fit, others won't come up over my thighs, and more will gape at the waist.

Jumpers - pill and shrink. Also, why are so many things done in weird colours? I might go looking for a shirt in khaki, but their shirt will be a mucky shade. Yellow - either anaemic or luminous. And as you say, find something in a nice shape, it'll have a huge gapey neckline, or random lace, or mismatched buttons.

As for their knickers, last multipack had 2 pairs where the gusset wasn't fully stitched to the leg. As for the width of their gussets, even when I was a skinny little thing they would've been too narrow. Most uncomfortable, I often feel as if my fanjo is eating them up.

Best places for multipacks now are Primark or Tesco.

I agree; Sloggi are like the old M & S. Perhaps better.
Also Costco.

I totally disagree. You may find it personally insulting, but as a cis woman, I'm fine with it.

The discussion of trans women in M&S adverts should not be shoehorned into this discussion. MN developed a space SPECIFICALLY for this purpose. It was argued for at great length. Churlish not to use it.

Got measured in M&S for bras (yes I know but it's the only place we've got since Debenhams shut down) Only tried on the white but bought flesh and black as well

Tried the black on at home and it is at least an inch shorter across the back - measured it against both the other bras. Both the box and label on the bra gave the size it should have been.

No problem exchanging and I tried on before leaving store. No idea what M&S are going to do as it's too small for the size it says and will be too big for the size down

Are you sure? There was a video last week showing a store with a clearly marked “men’s fitting room” and a “fitting room” which was confirmed to be for any sex (but was next to the women’s underwear dept)

I stopped buying underwear from there around 15(?) years ago, as noticed that the quality had gone downhill.

Because I don’t believe half of the hysteria I see on here about M&S changing rooms, frankly.

Why would you not believe the poster just because your branch is different?
Bit unfair and judgemental.....

I’d be interested to know where this happened (if it actually did). The branch I go to has men’s and women’s fitting rooms - no unisex.

There’s something called tolerance in clothing. As long as items come within tolerance they are passed for sale.

However 2-3 cm is quite big. Also in QC they only measure about 1 in 500.

M and S QC used to go on the shop floor with a tape measure. If measurements weren’t in tolerance the whole line was pulled. And the supplier had to cover the loss.

No one does this anymore unfortunately. Primark don’t even have QC

Frankly that doesn't matter. It is a slur, an insult. It is like using a racial slur then telling anyone who complained to go to the black mn board.

A few years ago, I bought about 5 v necked t shirts relaxed fit. They were great - never needed ironing! I looked at some of their t shirts this year - almost paper thin! Why would I pay their prices, when I could get better elsewhere?

I bought DD1 a load of t shirts this year from Next - reasonably thick cotton, and seemed much better quality!

I am in M & S’ traditional market; but they seem to be aiming clothes at DD2’s age group, even though she wouldn’t shop there in a million years!

No harm done! You weren't the only one to ask.

Ok 👍
I was only joking anyhow. I thought my emojis made that clear

Amusing that a few people would think I work there just because my opinion differs from yours! No, I don't work there, and to be fair, I don't like EVERYTHING in M&S, the shoes can be a bit hit and miss and I don't like the selection of bags. But I genuinely do like the clothes and they last a lot longer than the other stuff I get on the high street.

What was the comment?🤔

You really don’t like people shining a light on it, do you?

Sex and Gender board.

Sex and Gender board. Not here.

Not when the OP was asking about the quality of the underwear.

Take your obsession to the Sex and Gender board.

Never happened to me and I always wear them.

The Sex and Gender board is where you should be having this discussion.

The OP was talking about the quality of underwear not the models.

Do you work there? 🤔 😉

There's no such thing as cis women.
The SC ruling stated women.

This is patently untrue and I can't believe anyone would say this. Their clothing sizes and fit have been rubbish for years and the material is atrocious now. I'm totally their target market and even I just laugh at the clothing if I ever pass through on the way to the now poor food section. In fact, dh even laughed last time when I showed him some items.