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Hostile and entitled man hijacking my table

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BluntPlumHam · 14/08/2025 16:22

I stopped to have some lunch at a busy market where there is a lot of seating however often taken up so some waiting around.

Often a woman dining on her own or having coffee may ask to share a table which I always agree to.

I was sat at a table for 4 already eating.

Man and woman approach and ask if they can share my table.

I asked is it just you two and pointed at the seats opposite me and he nodded. So I said ok because it was super busy.

Seconds later a third person joins and I’m now encircled by their group. I took my headphones out and said hang on you didn’t say there were three of you?

He immediately got hostile and red in the face and said you need to go find a table for one person.

I put my cutlery down and said you need to move. He started blathering on about being allowed to voice his opinion and I just said no and firmly said leave because I wasn’t about to engage in a discussion or argument with this man child.

He started throwing a tantrum exclaiming that he’s not leaving puffing his chest out etc and his wife was trying to calm him down and kept apologising to me. He was clearly ready to have a stand off with me. I just turned to her, your husband is hostile, harassing me now and I want you to all leave to which she eventually said ok and that we will go find another table. He reluctantly left but not without trying to start a fight with me I just remained firm and resilient. Just kept repeating sternly you all need to leave now and find another table.

Wife was visibly embarrassed by his behaviour and grabbed my arm and sincerely apologised.

I just feel that a certain culture of general hostility towards women is being normalised in this day and age. Although I initially allowed him to sit there when I realised this was a group I revoked that permission but men can’t take a no for an answer.

Despite me doing them a favour and letting them sit there he had the audacity to get angry with me when I questioned the third person and tell me to go find another table midway my food. They did not have their food yet.

Men feel entitled to encroach and stay in women’s personal space even when bluntly told to go. Would it have been different had I been a man, absolutely.

AIBU for making them leave.

OP posts:
KandyKrush · 15/08/2025 08:49

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:48

I just don't really get why people are quite so anti- another person sitting at the same table as them on a busy train or in a busy food hall.

Yeah I mean I don’t know what to tell you. It’s allowed.

you seem to be taking it awfully personally.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:49

KandyKrush · 15/08/2025 08:45

No. Just plain old antisocial.

You do sound lovely

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:48

KandyKrush · 15/08/2025 08:47

yeah…I am free to prefer no one sat there but I am aware that I cannot stop them and neither would I try to 😵‍💫 That’s the point.

I just don't really get why people are quite so anti- another person sitting at the same table as them on a busy train or in a busy food hall.

KandyKrush · 15/08/2025 08:47

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:29

Why 'Of course'? ConfusedIt's a busy train. People need to sit somewhere.

yeah…I am free to prefer no one sat there but I am aware that I cannot stop them and neither would I try to 😵‍💫 That’s the point.

KandyKrush · 15/08/2025 08:45

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:31

'I would do anything f to avoid occupying a table of 4 on my own' does sound a bit like you're terrified of your own shadow, in fact.

No. Just plain old antisocial.

Ballardz · 15/08/2025 08:40

BluntPlumHam · 14/08/2025 22:33

It’s not. Not at all. No way a server will take you to a table that is already occupied by a diner eating. Especially not in Nando’s/ Dishoom etc. No idea where you’ve dreamt that.

Except you weren’t in Nando’s or Dishoom. You were in a market. Very different set up…

Ballardz · 15/08/2025 08:37

This thread is so weird. A table at a market is very different to a table at a restaurant or a cafe. In a market you just sit wherever you want. Anyone who insists on one entire table for themselves would come across as weird and hostile.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:34

daisychain01 · 15/08/2025 05:18

Did the whole cafe stand up and give you a round of applause?

Grin
LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:33

BluntPlumHam · 14/08/2025 22:25

Don’t be deliberately dim. Sharing a table with another lone woman is completely different from being kettled in by three strangers at a table you were at first midway meal. Especially when the expectation was that there were only going to be two and a third shows up and then one of them gets hostile.

Thankfully I worked in a male dominated field which was a contentious environment due to the nature of the work. I developed a no shit take policy a long time ago especially from bully boys.

'kettled in'?
You mean rather than 'sitting at a table with other people also having lunch'?
What paranoid little world do you live in?

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:31

KandyKrush · 14/08/2025 21:48

Oh I was being facetious 🙄 I just mean I don’t want to sit with randoms. I’m not actually terrified of my own shadow.

Jeez. Some absolute personality vacuums on here.

'I would do anything f to avoid occupying a table of 4 on my own' does sound a bit like you're terrified of your own shadow, in fact.

WhatNoRaisins · 15/08/2025 08:30

I don't think it's normal to share tables in places with waiters but it is in self serve places where you find your own table.

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 08:30

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:27

If this is the UK, then routinely we do not share tables with strangers in a place where we are eating evening if it is crowded and there are no other tables (it's not like a Lion's Corner House in 1930!). Sometimes OK to join a pub table if the tables are large - but one asks!
Again, I think some people live in a different UK to me.
In a market/food hall set-up it is totally 'routine' to expect to share tables at busy times.
And they did ask.

A market / food hall set up is not the same as a restaurant, agreed.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:29

KandyKrush · 14/08/2025 21:23

OP, I was on a train with my two kids last week. We had a table of four. The train suddenly became very busy. A man asked if he could have the unoccupied seat at our table. Of course I did not wish random man to sit with us, but you just have to suck it up 🤷🏻‍♀️

Would you have told him no??

Why 'Of course'? ConfusedIt's a busy train. People need to sit somewhere.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:27

Grammarnut · 14/08/2025 20:56

I don't expect random people to join my table in a restaurant/eating place. And though 2 is probably ok, OP found herself sitting next to a stranger, and an obnoxious one at that, who told her to move. This is poor behaviour.
If this is the UK, then routinely we do not share tables with strangers in a place where we are eating evening if it is crowded and there are no other tables (it's not like a Lion's Corner House in 1930!). Sometimes OK to join a pub table if the tables are large - but one asks!

If this is the UK, then routinely we do not share tables with strangers in a place where we are eating evening if it is crowded and there are no other tables (it's not like a Lion's Corner House in 1930!). Sometimes OK to join a pub table if the tables are large - but one asks!
Again, I think some people live in a different UK to me.
In a market/food hall set-up it is totally 'routine' to expect to share tables at busy times.
And they did ask.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:26

Sashimiandhisthunderpaws · 14/08/2025 20:50

I wouldnt mind 3 people joining me on a normal table with chairs but would feel uncomfortable with a stranger sitting next to me in a booth where they would need to get up to let me out.

How on earth do people cope with being on a bus/train with someone sitting on the outside of you? Or the cinema/theatre/anywhere where you might need to <<horror>> ask a stranger to move?

PotatoRato · 15/08/2025 08:25

Anotherbeeloudglade · 15/08/2025 04:26

Good, because I don't care at all about your opinion on my factual comment.

But I do care about not letting people (who in real life would never have the courage to say anything they say on these threads) attempt to hijack the last word and have never denied that :)

So we can keep going for as long as you like 😇

This is the problem. Your entire comment is opinion but you’ve labelled it as fact because you can’t handle a reasonable and rational discussion.

OP behaved disgustingly. If OP and the man swapped places then you’d still be praising her for being “assertive” when the rude, delusional, aggressive man “refracted his permission”.

It’s not “standing up for yourself” to start fights with people over things you have no right to.

But, yes, if OP had behaved meekly, mildly and gently then she would’ve received different responses. That’s not because being meek, mild or gentle is better - it’s because if you start being rude, aggressive and confrontational then you cannot expect anything different in response.

You thinking your opinion is a fact shows that you’re the same ilk. A bully.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:24

Panterusblackish · 14/08/2025 20:34

Nobody should be sitting down at an already occupied table unlessthe occupant is 100 per cent happy. It is not the social norm in the UK to share tables and in this case it was first come first served.

Glad you stood your ground OP.

It is not the social norm in the UK to share tables
This again?
We must live in different UKs.

LittleBitofBread · 15/08/2025 08:22

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/08/2025 19:42

I was always going to say YANBU because this man got very aggressive and you were right to stand up to him.

I’m a bit less sure re the right to share / decline to share the tables because I get that it was crowded and people needed somewhere to sit. However, I can understand why you felt encircled and not comfortable with all of them sitting there.

Half way through the thread you’ve introduced the idea that the tables were “booth-like” which you didn’t mention at first. I think that tips it in your favour and explains why you indicated that two people were welcome to sit opposite you, but not a third person. Did that person then sit on the “outside” of you, between you and the “exit” from the table? I can see that that makes a difference and explains why you use the word “surrounded”. I would not want to be hemmed into a corner like that by a group.

I can see that that makes a difference and explains why you use the word “surrounded”. I would not want to be hemmed into a corner like that by a group.

What on earth do you think they were going to do? Confused They just needed somewhere to sit and eat lunch. I doubt that they were going to try to convert the OP to Mormonism, or start an elaborate confidence trick for money, or something.
I'd take a wild guess that, if the OP was on the inside of the table and needed out before them, she could have said, 'Excuse me' and the person next to her would have stood up to let her out.

daisychain01 · 15/08/2025 05:18

Did the whole cafe stand up and give you a round of applause?

Anotherbeeloudglade · 15/08/2025 04:26

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 04:20

I apologise for not @ing you or quoting you @Anotherbeeloudglade . Since no one else seems to be on the thread at the moment I assumed you'd know I was responding to you - there was no intention to slide under the radar.

Yes, I will feel free to have a different opinion. It's of no consequence to me whether you care or not.

Good, because I don't care at all about your opinion on my factual comment.

But I do care about not letting people (who in real life would never have the courage to say anything they say on these threads) attempt to hijack the last word and have never denied that :)

So we can keep going for as long as you like 😇

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 04:20

I apologise for not @ing you or quoting you @Anotherbeeloudglade . Since no one else seems to be on the thread at the moment I assumed you'd know I was responding to you - there was no intention to slide under the radar.

Yes, I will feel free to have a different opinion. It's of no consequence to me whether you care or not.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 15/08/2025 04:15

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 04:14

She wasn't assertive : she was rude and confrontational in my view. You think she was in the right, but there's no "of course" about it. Opinions vary, as this thread demonstrates.

Edited

Nah. She was assertive, just as I am being assertive when I say to you that I think it's a bit pathetic to address someone without actually quoting them or @ ing them in the hope of sliding under the radar 😂

Feel free to have a differing opinion, I genuinely don't care :)

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 04:14

She wasn't assertive : she was rude and confrontational in my view. You think she was in the right, but there's no "of course" about it. Opinions vary, as this thread demonstrates.

Anotherbeeloudglade · 15/08/2025 03:47

BluntPlumHam · 14/08/2025 23:13

I may not own it but I was there first and the table was in use. I stood my ground after he took the piss and got hostile because I’m not people pleaser. If you wish to be a doormat in your life then that’s your prerogative.

Love your responses, and yes you're in the right, of course, but you're supposed to be a bit more meek and grovelly.

If you had pretended you were quite scared or distressed and acted as though you were super placatory and the exact same outcome had happened, all the twits pretending they don't get it would be backing you.

You're not allowed to be assertive or take no shit as a woman on mumsnet. It's all about fitting the mould of being terribly "noice". No fucking swearing, just nasty little jibes that are a lot worse than swearing. Not that you swore, but that's the general vibe of this place.

ilovesooty · 15/08/2025 03:32

Ilovelurchers · 14/08/2025 23:52

I find it interesting that everyone is commenting with such strong opinions on whether OP was perfectly right, or badly in the wrong, because I don't think we can tell from what she has written.

To see how reasonable the table request was, we would need to see exactly how busy the venue was. If they had other seating options, it was rude (and bizarre) for them to sit on OP's table. If there were no, or very few, spaces for 3 people, it was fine of them to do so and OP was wrong to attempt to prevent it, and 8n their situation I might have spoken to the cafe owner about it and asked them to intervene.

As for the fracas, again, without hearing the tones of voice employed by the participants, it's impossible to judge. If OP spoke politely and kindly when refusing them the seats (hard to imagine in a way, but possible) then man was wrong to be rebarbative. If she spoke rudley, then I suppose he was simply fighting fire with fire.

I have an image on my head of how it went, certainly, but I don't think there is enough information in OP's posts (not blaming her for this) to know for sure. Tone of voice can make SUCH a difference to the rights and wrongs of social interactions.

The OP is becoming even more strident as the thread has developed. Interesting that she's now lobbed in the lone man on his laptop who apparently remained unapproached on another table. She's also shifted from feeling "bullied" to telling us that she took no shit in her previous male dominated working environment.