Didn’t get job

I hate it when this happens

The employers forget we are a human being who wants and needs the job to live off and have been doing the role very successfully until it’s passed on to someone else who we then have to train. What a waste of time having to train a newbie to do the exact same role you’re already doing.

it’s insulting as well as leaving us out of a job an actual job to pay the bills and survive

It is always disappointing when you don’t get the job you were hoping for, They probably did a better interview than you, but that’s not to say they would be better than you at the job. . I would ask for some feedback to see how you did in the interview and you can use it going forward for any other roles that come up.

The person who is offered the position needs to be successful at interview. Internal candidates generally have the "team fit" advantage so the job is likely theirs to lose. If they don't do enough the panel cannot offer them the role. It's less about performance as you can look past an internal candidate's nerves but you need to hear relevant content.
I couldn't tell you the number of interview panels I was on in my last role but it was often the case interviewees just missed the point of the question, often even with prompts they had an agenda in their head.
Practice with a friend can help people to learn how to listen to questions and how to answer from an 'I did, I know' perspective (rather than we).

I agree. I genuinely wonder how some people become managers. In your shoes I would take all the learning and apply elsewhere OP. And I certainly would not make training the new hire my responsibility-you’re not their manager.

Thankfully it has not been the case for you OP but to the other poster: making a solid temp staff member apply for jobs over and over again knowing they fall down at the last hurdle simply due to interview nerves is cruel and humiliating.

This is a ludicrous approach to recruitment. What a shame that none of you used an ounce of common sense and kept setting that poor woman up to fail.

Get applying for other things. Never give a company your loyalty. It’s never, ever returned.

I was a very highly thought of temp, being personally requested when companies needed a temp and they had used me before. Temping is also a great way to quickly adapt to new environments and industries at short notice. You have to learn the job quickly if you don’t want to be replaced by another temp. I would love to go back to temping but there isn’t the demand anymore, at least not if you don’t live near a big bustling city. Being a high quality temp is a skill.

Thing is some interviews are for careers and progressing on that career path and other vacancies are just jobs. Cafes requesting you are passionate about food and drink is absurd.

Worse still, I’ve been asked to help them out if they have any questions about how to do the job that I’ve been doing for over a year.

So the person who didn’t get the job has to train the person who did? 😵‍💫
I think you would be within your rights to tell them to get stuffed (or the professional equivalent thereof)

Or being marked down for not using enough of their buzz words.

Yes doing the job to the required standard is expected, and what a temp is paid for.

just to confirm I’m not throwing any shade at your own dedication. But the point remains- you don’t need development, investment in serious training, qualifications etc when you’re a temp.
You can also leave whenever you like and many temps do the work specifically for this advantage. It’s just the way it is

That’s kind of expected?

IME temps are usually lower quality hires than perms. For the reasons I’ve spoken about re lack of investment from employers.

this is why standards are often lower for temps, they’re recruited on a more casual basis and to a lower standard, and often less is expected of them. There is no long term investment or commitment either side

I've seen this happen in the NHS. Seems pretty normal thing to do sadly there from my experience!

The temps then left, sometimes on the spot.

So if I’m understanding correctly, a good interview from a stranger trumps a proven record of competence in the post by the internal applicant?

If the organisation is very happy with the temp, why not just appoint them to the permanent post?

Exactly. Simples!

That’s what I’m not getting.

I'd leave.

Why couldn't they just change op's contract to perm and recruit for a temp.

Ask them why you didn't get the job, a chat with your manager or a more formal sit down to see what you have to improve to be a better candidate in future. Are you agency staff? It is sometimes very expensive to pay off the agency to take someone on directly, I remember my company having this problem they were pretty much held to ransom.

I agree it’s very tough. Even casual work like Saturday jobs don’t really exist anymore. No more randomly walking into places asking if they need staff (pubs, cafes etc) and they just say sure, pop in tomorrow for a trial day, with no asking for a CV or how passionate you are about clearing dirty plates 🥴

And I was out of the workplace a long time (16 years) (sahm), I think I still haven’t come to terms with how much the job landscape has changed. I’m still stuck in the 80s/90s mindset of job hunting.

I’m a bit miffed by people who follow a strict process to the point of ignoring obvious red flags, but I suspect it happens less than we might think. This has never happened to me for example and I probably do 30 interviews a year