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AIBU to think my ex should pay more child maintenance when he earns £720k a year?

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Pashpash24 · 13/08/2025 19:14

I’ll try to keep this as short as possible while giving some back story.

I was with my ex-partner for four years. We had a son together, but he walked out before he was born. He saw him a few times as a newborn, but I had asked that he didn’t bring his new partner. My son was six weeks old when he turned up at my door with her, even though I’d said it was too soon.

He took me to court saying she should be allowed to meet him. The court agreed it was too soon and suggested maybe when the baby was older.

Because of that, he told me he would never see his son again. I was devastated and said fine, she can meet him, because I didn’t want him to walk away. But he still refused and never saw him again.

For six years, he had no contact — no visits, no messages, nothing. The only thing he did was pay child maintenance. It was a decent amount (£1,277.50 a month), and I never asked for more.

He went on to have three more children with his now wife. I just got on with life until one day my son came out of school and asked, “I must have a dad, right?” I’d never told him about his father because I didn’t want him to feel abandoned.

When he started asking more questions, I texted his dad to say I was going to tell him the truth — I wasn’t going to raise him on a lie. I’d messaged over the years, even sent photos, and he’d read them on WhatsApp but never replied. So I didn’t expect a response this time either.

Surprisingly, he replied and said maybe it was time to meet. This was when my son was six (he’s now nearly nine). In the last three years, he’s probably met him in person about 10 times. He calls roughly once every 10 days, which I think is poor — it should’ve progressed a lot more by now.

Anyway, to the point. I recently logged into my Child Maintenance account after receiving an unusual notification. It showed his salary: £720,000 a year.

I’ve always been paid £1,277.50 a month because that’s what CMS caps it at. He could earn £1 million a week and I’d still receive that same amount — you have to go to court for any increase.

Would he be able to afford more? Absolutely. I know it’s a decent amount, but he only pays it because that’s the legal minimum CMS tells him to.

I’m self-employed and work part-time so my son can do after-school activities — he’s football mad and trains/plays four times a week. I’m essentially raising him alone; my dad moved 40 miles away, and I have no relationship with my mum. I rarely get a break, but that’s been the reality since the start.

I’ve never asked for an increase, but life is much more expensive now. £1,277 doesn’t go as far as it did six years ago, and £720,000 a year is a huge income.

To put it into perspective — CMS only calculates maintenance on a maximum salary of £156,000 a year. My ex earns over four times that, but I still only get the amount they’d set for £156k — just over 2% of his actual income. Unless I go to court for a “top-up order”, that’s all I’ll ever get.

AIBU to ask for more?

OP posts:
KickHimInTheCrotch · 14/08/2025 07:54

This thread is unbelievable.

How can so many people think that one child should receive so much less than then the other three just because they have different mothers when the father earns such a huge amount of money.

This little boy has not had his dad in his life until recently. Eventually he will get to meet his half siblings. How would anyone justify the differences in their lifestyles and not want to even it out a little bit. The dad should be falling over himself to support his son financially going forward.

And the attitude to OP, calling her selfish and begging when she just wants her son's biological father to give him what he's entitled to and deserves.

I would ask nicely and have a conversation OP. Then take it to court if that didn't work out.

ThejoyofNC · 14/08/2025 07:54

usedtobeaylis · 14/08/2025 07:51

The OP is doing everything right - she's working, she's sacrificing, she's raising a child as best she can. CM is basically covering rent and the OP is finding and resourcing everything else, financially and in terms of time. And yet it's her who should be doing more? Because god forbid a man think about inflation at the very least. He CAN afford it and he SHOULD be contributing more.

Edited

So what? Sounds like she's doing the basics to me. Hardly award worthy.

It doesn't just cover rent at all. It's more than £300 above what she pays in rent. And she should realise how fortunate that makes her, he has absolutely no obligation to pay her full rent, that's not what it's for.

usedtobeaylis · 14/08/2025 07:53

HopscotchBanana · 14/08/2025 07:51

A stranger to her.

Not to the other parent. No different to anyone OP introduced to the baby that the ex hadn't met.

She can't play "I'll choose who you can introduce to your own child whilst I introduce whoever I like" then act the victim when the person who didn't want the child with her anyway says, fine, I tried to see him, you had to be difficult about my partner being there.

OP didn't think his partner was a danger. OP didn't want the person in the place she intended for herself around and refused out of jealousy.

They didn't even live together. This is not a man abandoning his family. This is a man who didn't want a future with OP, and when she became pregnant, left. That's doesn't make him a "shit". Leaving a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is perfectly normal. Both parties are allowed to not want a to keep a pregnancy you know. Except only the woman has a choice. Equally the other parent can choose not to be involved. Both absolutely fine. You can't complain that someone isn't raising a child you solely chose to keep knowing they didn't want it with you, but still chose to have. Take some accountability. Your body, your choice, your consequences.

All the comparatives to his three children with his wife are strange. All children are equal. But their household lifestyle isn't suddenly supposed to be, when the mother and father were not married nor even lived together. OP's baby is in the household he always has been, at the standard he has always known. His lifestyle is exactly reflective of their relationship when he was conceived and then born. Mum living in her rental, Dad living elsewhere. She gets exactly what she should, which is the highest CMS calculated amount available. All the whatabouttery of his children in his household with his wife is irrelevant. That wasn't and was never going to be OP and her baby.

She could easily work more if she wanted to have more money for her own child. She just wants more because she's seen her ex's pay packet. Look how well it worked out for the child when she decided she was calling all the shots at 6 weeks. This isn't one of the children he wanted, with his wife, that he would fight to keep contact with. This is a child he didn't want and doesn't have that bond with, so any contact between the two is already fragile and completely on dad's terms. If she asks for more money, then going on previous, dad more than likely will just cut ties again.

But then OP went to court to try and keep his wife out of the picture from the start, but made sure she got her CMS application in. So unless her priorities and morals have suddenly had a U-turn, I'm sure the court will give her a top up, and her son's relationship with his dad will again be the price for it.

The dad continually cutting ties because he wants absolutely nothing asked of him beyond a legally required bank transfer every month is actually the actions of a shit.

usedtobeaylis · 14/08/2025 07:51

The OP is doing everything right - she's working, she's sacrificing, she's raising a child as best she can. CM is basically covering rent and the OP is finding and resourcing everything else, financially and in terms of time. And yet it's her who should be doing more? Because god forbid a man think about inflation at the very least. He CAN afford it and he SHOULD be contributing more.

HopscotchBanana · 14/08/2025 07:51

Ophy83 · 14/08/2025 06:56

No she didn't. She asked that he not bring a stranger to meet the tiny baby and the court agreed.

A stranger to her.

Not to the other parent. No different to anyone OP introduced to the baby that the ex hadn't met.

She can't play "I'll choose who you can introduce to your own child whilst I introduce whoever I like" then act the victim when the person who didn't want the child with her anyway says, fine, I tried to see him, you had to be difficult about my partner being there.

OP didn't think his partner was a danger. OP didn't want the person in the place she intended for herself around and refused out of jealousy.

They didn't even live together. This is not a man abandoning his family. This is a man who didn't want a future with OP, and when she became pregnant, left. That's doesn't make him a "shit". Leaving a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is perfectly normal. Both parties are allowed to not want a to keep a pregnancy you know. Except only the woman has a choice. Equally the other parent can choose not to be involved. Both absolutely fine. You can't complain that someone isn't raising a child you solely chose to keep knowing they didn't want it with you, but still chose to have. Take some accountability. Your body, your choice, your consequences.

All the comparatives to his three children with his wife are strange. All children are equal. But their household lifestyle isn't suddenly supposed to be, when the mother and father were not married nor even lived together. OP's baby is in the household he always has been, at the standard he has always known. His lifestyle is exactly reflective of their relationship when he was conceived and then born. Mum living in her rental, Dad living elsewhere. She gets exactly what she should, which is the highest CMS calculated amount available. All the whatabouttery of his children in his household with his wife is irrelevant. That wasn't and was never going to be OP and her baby.

She could easily work more if she wanted to have more money for her own child. She just wants more because she's seen her ex's pay packet. Look how well it worked out for the child when she decided she was calling all the shots at 6 weeks. This isn't one of the children he wanted, with his wife, that he would fight to keep contact with. This is a child he didn't want and doesn't have that bond with, so any contact between the two is already fragile and completely on dad's terms. If she asks for more money, then going on previous, dad more than likely will just cut ties again.

But then OP went to court to try and keep his wife out of the picture from the start, but made sure she got her CMS application in. So unless her priorities and morals have suddenly had a U-turn, I'm sure the court will give her a top up, and her son's relationship with his dad will again be the price for it.

IDontFeelLikeCooking · 14/08/2025 07:49

I’m sorry but I haven’t read the whole thread but you need to make a Jones v Seymour calculation.

Following a legal case of that name the judiciary have provided a formula as to how maintenance should be calculated when the non resident parent earns more than the CMS threshold.

The ‘legal advisor’ early in the thread saying what you receive is enough is so so wrong.

You could also consider making an application for capital support under schedule 1 of the Children Act 1989.

Good luck to you and your son whatever you decide to do.

usedtobeaylis · 14/08/2025 07:36

Closedwinefridge · 14/08/2025 07:26

This is not about the mother, but about the child who would benefit from more money in his household (either through better upbringing or through savings for the future).

People should stop focusing on OP working PT, bringing up a child is a full time job and more, and she is doing it alone.

Exactly and it sounds like the father benefits from two mothers bringing up his children while he makes the money.

usedtobeaylis · 14/08/2025 07:36

How do tens of mothers fail to understand the concept of household income in raising a child? What's is this 'solely for the child' and 'he shouldn't be funding you' stuff. Wild.

Closedwinefridge · 14/08/2025 07:26

This is not about the mother, but about the child who would benefit from more money in his household (either through better upbringing or through savings for the future).

People should stop focusing on OP working PT, bringing up a child is a full time job and more, and she is doing it alone.

MarvellousMonsters · 14/08/2025 07:20

Whilst I’ve voted YANBU, I wouldn’t ask him for more cash, because you have plenty to cover what you need right now, child maintenance isn’t factored into UC etc so no, you don’t need more money now. But I’d have a conversation with your ex about a trust or savings account for your son to mature at 18 or 21 so he has a house deposit or savings to go to uni.

On a side note, please think about how you will be financially when your son turns 18, all but very basic welfare support will stop and you’ll be on a very low income, and have no child maintenance to fall back on.

Kisskiss · 14/08/2025 07:17

Bella5C · 14/08/2025 00:14

From someone who has never seen a penny in CM and does do it all herself… go get the top up! Ridiculous amount of money to be earning and not paying the correct percentage of for your child. That’s the point! The absent parent would still be well off by a long shot. I don’t know why people are twisting it. I also don’t know why OP is being seen to be greedy? If the absent parent isn’t going to step up I think you are well within your rights to seek the top up. If he doesn’t like it, that’s his choice, not her fault!

Yes, agree. People keep saying that 1k is a lot, it is on absolute terms but relative to that salary it is not.
on that income it’s normal for the child to be going to private school , holidays etc, which OPs child is not.
i think it’s odd on the dad that he has that level of earnings yet is happy that his oldest child is not benefitting from it.
even taking his salary out of the equation, half of OPs rent and bills is roughly 700/month. Then add in transport costs, food clothing activities clubs. In reality it should also cover part time child care/ wraparound costs as OP is sole caregiver. I don’t think 1k is enough

Ophy83 · 14/08/2025 06:56

Coilt · 14/08/2025 06:49

Because you chose to not have him in your kids life. You chose that for him

No she didn't. She asked that he not bring a stranger to meet the tiny baby and the court agreed.

Ophy83 · 14/08/2025 06:55

I would seek legal advice. I'm not a family lawyer but I'd have thought he should have a similar standard of living as his siblings.

Coilt · 14/08/2025 06:49

Pashpash24 · 13/08/2025 20:49

Look I completely get that. It might seem like that’s for me. But he’s never ever taking him anywhere other than an arcade. He’s been in his life for three years now and he’s never even had him overnight. So yeah if he paid more it would all go on making my son’s life better/ more enjoyable in anyway I could. If he took him away on the holidays his other children get to go on then I’d absolutely love that. But he doesn’t. He’s never taken him anywhere. My sons got a lovely savings account waiting for him when he’s older and when the money does eventually stop I know regardless of whether his dads still in the picture I can help him out with whatever he needs. I completely understand people might think I’m being greedy but honestly I’m his mum and I adore him and if I could do anymore for him I would .

Because you chose to not have him in your kids life. You chose that for him

MikeRafone · 14/08/2025 05:58

I really do wonder what sort of person expects, as a recent ex to turn up with his girlfriend 6 weeks postpartum 🤦‍♀️

mist on MN don’t want relatives visiting for the first few weeks let alone the fathers new girlfriend 😳

Enrichetta · 14/08/2025 05:09

The boy will be unaware of the different life his siblings have - but one day he will find out, and this could cause irreparable damage to his relationship with his father. Given his wealth, it is highly likely that those children will be independently educated. How will OP’s son feel when he finds out…

springtome · 14/08/2025 04:51

Personally I think you get more than enough to pay for half the costs of raising your child. I think the income of the other parent is only relevant when the child was brought up in an affluent home and a relationship breaks down and you want to maintain that lifestyle.

That is not the case here, your son has the lifestyle he always had and it’s not like he has a close relationship to his biological siblings that he knows the difference.

Working part time is a luxury and if you can’t afford it then you need to work more hours. Your ex does not need to fund your lifestyle.

FreyjaOfTheNorth · 14/08/2025 04:25

Pashpash24 · 13/08/2025 20:18

For people saying why don’t I go work full time I did. I worked full-time from when my son was in Reception until Year 3. He was always the first one in breakfast club and the last one to leave after-school club because I worked in an estate agent’s, and I hated it.

After that, I opened my own café and worked 7 days a week — he was with me in the café on weekends. I’ve never “cried poverty” and I’m not shy of hard work.

Now I work for myself cleaning houses and offices during school hours so my son can actually attend football training three evenings a week and play at weekends — something he couldn’t do before. Yes, I now work part-time, but that’s a conscious choice to give him a better quality of life.

If I received more maintenance, I’d use it exactly how most parents would: I’d shop for better quality food, buy him nicer clothes, take him on more days out, and go on more holidays together. My son is my life — I’m not looking for more so I can get my nails done.

But you would be eating the food and going on the holidays too. Don’t play the martyr.

You are being unreasonable. You didn’t even tell your son about his father, denied his existence essentially. But you are more than happy to take his money. Get a better job if you want your son to have nicer holidays and Waitrose food, like everyone else does. You only want the money because you know he has it. Not because you need it. If he earned minimum wage you’d find a way to cope

Silvertulips · 14/08/2025 02:51

Calculation here - https://becket-chambers.co.uk/articles/what-happens-when-child-maintenance-is-not-enough/

It seems straight forward to me - apply to the courts.

You could easily double the amount

DiaryofaProvincialLady · 14/08/2025 02:32

Dumbo18 · 13/08/2025 20:24

Do you really work part time so you son can play football? Not asking to be nasty or anything just genuinely intrigued. I’ve not come across that before

OP wants her son to follow on the footsteps of his professional footballer father....

BengalBangle · 14/08/2025 02:27

Pashpash24 · 13/08/2025 21:35

Honestly I live in a rented house in Leeds in a really bog standard area and the rent on the house is £1100 a month. I could move to a really rough shit hole and I’d still be paying £800+. I have been saving and saving and saving for a mortgage and I’m almost there. Council tax alone is £150 a month with my discount. Don’t even get me started on car insurance. I can’t claim UC but I can claim help with childcare but that’s it. I know everyone keeps cribbing me for working part time but I actually earn okay money but I still do struggle sometimes.

Earlier, you said your rent is £950? 🤔

SallyDraperGetInHere · 14/08/2025 01:59

NoSoupForU · 13/08/2025 20:22

I think you're unreasonable, yes, because you aren't seeing it as the cost of raising your son, you're seeing it as something you should be entitled to in order to live the lifestyle you want to.

It doesn't cost more than £1277 a month (plus whatever your contribution would be) to raise a 9 year old.

You aren't unreasonable to ask but you are unreasonable to feel entitled.

I disagree. He has four children, and one is at a significant disadvantage compared to the others. I wonder does his will make equal provision?

Is he on the birth certificate?

Id make a top up application saying x amount for as long as the child is in full time education or training. The OP’s opportunity to earn is severely diminished due to solo parenting. If the child wanted to go to uni in ten years time, he’d have to take on a loan, whereas his siblings will have much greater financial freedom. I presume the op can’t put aside any savings at the moment.

user1492757084 · 14/08/2025 01:46

You are receiving a generous amount.

I would speak directly to your ex and inquire as to whether he has any plans to fund or put additional money away for your child's tertiary or upper secondary education.
Ask whether you two need to confer together as to what type of education is viable or possible.

The ex could be making some of his money through the efforts of his wife; it is not necessarily fair nor accurate to assume that your son deserves more.

If you both agree to a certain education for DS, perhaps the ex will gladly contribute.
There is nothing to be gained in destroying the now mended relationship.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 14/08/2025 01:37

Whattodo1610 · 13/08/2025 23:39

You get approx £320 per week and you can’t afford to buy ds better food, go to clubs, nice clothes etc??? Really??? What the hell do you do with that money then?? The mind boggles 😵‍💫

Rent, food, heating/energy/water, clothes etc
Childcare (way more than the amounts mentioned here)
actuvities including football etc

nellibet · 14/08/2025 01:30

Depends how much you earn