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to think supermarkets should open longer on Sundays?

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ThisPlumCrab · 13/08/2025 18:02

By late Sunday morning my local supermarket is like a rugby scrum with trolleys. The car park is jammed, people are queueing before they even get inside, and once you are in the aisles it feels like an obstacle course just to reach the milk. It is easily the busiest day of the week here, yet we still have the six hour Sunday trading limit.

Because of Sunday trading laws, the big shops in England and Wales can only open for six hours. In practice that means everyone piles in at the same time. Late morning is rammed, early afternoon is even worse, and by the afternoon the place looks like a plague of locusts has been through, with only artichokes and beetroot left.

In Scotland there are no Sunday trading laws for large shops, so they can open as long as they like, and life seems to carry on perfectly fine.

If supermarkets here could open longer, like on a normal day, people could spread out their shopping and the whole thing would be calmer. Families who spend Saturday at kids sports or activities, and workers who do shifts at the weekend, would have more choice than the current six hour window. Smaller express or local stores are open all day anyway, but they are pricier and do not stock everything, so you end up doing several little shops.

I know the main argument for the current rules is that Sundays should be for people to spend time with their families. But not everyone lives in a family setup, and many people, especially students, part timers, and those looking for extra income, actually prefer to work on Sundays. For some, it is the best day to pick up extra hours without clashing with other commitments.

I just do not see how the current system helps when Sundays are already the busiest.

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WhiskySour83 · 15/08/2025 01:58

Where I live, nothing opens on Sundays at all and we survive. Let the staff have one day off in peace and spend Sunday doing other things.

Jumpingthruhoops · 15/08/2025 01:56

I think everywhere should be open later on Sundays - it might be the only day that people have that week to run errands.

Sunday trading laws were put in place to 'observe the Sabbath' - but since we're openly not a Christian country any more, that all seems rather pointless.

the5thgoldengirl · 15/08/2025 00:29

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StitchHappens · 14/08/2025 23:11

MrsSunshine2b · 14/08/2025 20:23

Everyone deserves time off but a Sunday is the most illogical day.

Most people have 2 days when they are not at work and one of those days, everything is shut or only open for short hours.

If the shops shut on a weekday, then retail staff would get the same number of days off and all of us office monkeys would get a bit longer to do all the jobs that need doing.

Maybe you should be arguing for everyone else to be working weekends so that they all get a week day off to do all that stuff instead then? I mean that's a far more logical solution surely, then transport, childcare, offices etc can all be open so it's fair for all... obviously (just like for shop workers) those 2 days off wouldn't be consecutive though.

AntiBullshit · 14/08/2025 22:49

we should go back to the 80s no shops open on Sunday, early closing for local shops one day a week and close at 7pm on Saturday.

DrPrunesqualer · 14/08/2025 22:33

intrepidpanda · 14/08/2025 22:03

As everyone focuses on kids getting into uni. I heard on the radio this morning that they estimate that need 20k a year to sustain themselves and max maintenance grant is 10k so many are looking to retail jobs to sustain themselves.
Sunday trading is a big help in these situations.
Many would simply not be able to go to university if these jobs with 'unsociable ' hours didn't exist.

It’s not exactly a reason to have Sunday trading

as an aside
If you’re writing this as you’re worried about your dc at Uni. I assure you I have three kids at Uni and they don’t need anything like £20k a year
If they want a holiday or want to buy lots of new clothes or feel the need for luxuries then yes. How long is a piece of string. If, however they live like students they don’t.
My knowledge is not just based on personal experience but research on averages.

PennywisePoundFoolish · 14/08/2025 22:12

intrepidpanda · 14/08/2025 22:03

As everyone focuses on kids getting into uni. I heard on the radio this morning that they estimate that need 20k a year to sustain themselves and max maintenance grant is 10k so many are looking to retail jobs to sustain themselves.
Sunday trading is a big help in these situations.
Many would simply not be able to go to university if these jobs with 'unsociable ' hours didn't exist.

A lot of big stores have out of hours teams. I think Christmas Day is the only day when there's no staff on shift. I'll be working Boxing Day night.

My employer also offers student contracts, so those that are going to university come back to their "home" store during holidays.

intrepidpanda · 14/08/2025 22:03

As everyone focuses on kids getting into uni. I heard on the radio this morning that they estimate that need 20k a year to sustain themselves and max maintenance grant is 10k so many are looking to retail jobs to sustain themselves.
Sunday trading is a big help in these situations.
Many would simply not be able to go to university if these jobs with 'unsociable ' hours didn't exist.

jannier · 14/08/2025 22:01

Maverickess · 14/08/2025 19:02

Exactly...... Off to a restaurant or pub for Sunday lunch, a theme park, trampoline park, cinema, bowling...... where leisure and hospitality staff are working, on a Sunday.

And yes I knew I'd be working Sundays, Christmas, bank holidays when I took the job, it's just another day, it doesn't need to be protected, and most people who work Sunday will have their rota'd day off during the week, I do, so they're probably gaining there because anything you want to do during the week is usually quieter than weekends. I don't understand this whole thing about having to be silent until 10am on a Sunday either, if it's acceptable to make noise at 8am Monday morning then it should be on Sunday morning, those of us that have Mondays off have to deal with it, so those that have Sundays off can deal with it.

So if you started working weekdays that suited your family then we're told it's now Friday Saturday and Sunday but that's okay your off Monday to Thursday you would be happy to never see your school aged kids let alone if you don't have childcare

cardibach · 14/08/2025 21:45

DeoHelp · 13/08/2025 18:12

I need fresh groceries for the week so Sunday is the ideal day to do this - unfortunately I then have to basically dedicate half of my day to going to Sainsbury’s as the opening hours are so short and it’s so busy. Don’t have time on Monday due to work and I’m often too exhausted afterwards to do the big shop.

This makes no sense. The groceries are fresh for the week whichever day you do your shop - you’ll get fresh ones in after 7 days whether that’s Sunday or Wednesday or any other day.

DrPrunesqualer · 14/08/2025 21:43

WeekendFreedom · 14/08/2025 21:37

What about if I work 11-5 and usually do my food shop at 10am?

We all have to adapt to availability

SprayWhiteDung · 14/08/2025 21:42

But not everyone wants to rest! I used to work in retail and always enjoyed working on a Sunday. It was a quieter day than Saturday which used to be heaving.

But was it not a quieter day because most people did want to rest?!

WeekendFreedom · 14/08/2025 21:37

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What about if I work 11-5 and usually do my food shop at 10am?

Nugg · 14/08/2025 21:34

I’m wondering why you go on a Sunday if it’s so bad

PennywisePoundFoolish · 14/08/2025 21:22

The on demand grocery orders (deliveroo etc)on a Sunday evening are crazy in my store. Those carry on until 10.30pm. Our store has reduced hours Mon-Sat compared to when I started working there 3 years ago. Staff hours have been reduced.

I'm not sure if the legal position changed on Sunday trading that my store would open full hours tbh. We have 1 fewer delivery on a Sunday vs the rest of the week. I'm not sure the figures would stack up (more distribution centre staff, more lorries and drivers on a Sunday) as well as store staff 🤔

Imperativvv · 14/08/2025 21:19

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:11

Very good point about public transport and childcare. Probably can't do much about childcare, but better public transport on Sundays is sorely needed.

Thanks. My guess is we'd have to pay a fair bit more for better Sunday transport, as there's already a bus driver shortage. Which obviously wouldn't address the structural issue, especially not for low paid workers.

mazedasamarchhare · 14/08/2025 21:15

But not everyone wants to rest! I used to work in retail and always enjoyed working on a Sunday. It was a quieter day than Saturday which used to be heaving. Monday was always a ‘dead’ day, so our boss shut up shop on Mondays, it felt a bit ‘naughty’ not working when nearly everyone else was! It also meant places were quieter so I could take mum out for a quieter coffee before her dementia got too bad.
I now do a very different job, I work 6days a week (self employed) so Sunday is my only free day. Yes I could go to the supermarket in the evening after work, but to be honest, by the end of the day, I’m spent and just want to get home to my kids, have a light bite and get into bed. I’m glad supermarkets are open on a Sunday, as it means I can spend more time with my kids on weekday evenings, and on a Sunday it means as a family we can nip to the supermarket after a day out, although out day out is somewhat curtailed by the 4pm curfew😂.
The beauty of living in a democracy is if you don’t want to go shopping on a Sunday you don’t have to, but if you do, you can. Most people have to work 5days a week, providing your employer gives you two days off, I’m not sure it matters and if it does matter to you, look at a job with Monday - Friday hours.
for some of us having an excuse not to see extended family due to work is a bonus!

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:11

Imperativvv · 14/08/2025 10:09

I disagree, because there's no evidence that this is something retail workers actually want to do, or that there's a suitable cohort of people waiting in the wings to cover the longer hours on Sundays. Especially given that's the worst day for public transport and formal childcare.

There's an unfortunate tendency for people to think that because they'd like to use a service, that demand automatically creates a supply of workers who want to provide it.

Very good point about public transport and childcare. Probably can't do much about childcare, but better public transport on Sundays is sorely needed.

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:10

1apenny2apenny · 14/08/2025 10:01

HRTFT - I would like supermarkets to now shut on Sundays (or any random day) to give workers one day off. John Lewis used to shut on Mondays and back in the day many shops did half day on a Wednesday. People have plenty of time to shop.

They get time off, they don't work 7 days a week! And if they do it's because they want to, to earn money. Being open on a Sunday gives teens and students a chance to earn money as well.

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:09

FluffyWabbit · 14/08/2025 09:51

I wish shops would be closed all of Sunday.

We need to get back to a place where family time means something and that includes making this available for people who have to currently work outside of regular hours.

What is this hallowed family time of which you speak?

Most people do DIY, homework, catch up on housework, and yes, do shopping on a Sunday.

They may visit family on occasion but that presupposes that they have a family.

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:07

sorrynotathome · 14/08/2025 09:14

Has anyone ever heard of online shopping?

Good point but it's not really about the supermarkets for me, it's about town centre shops and the deadness and bleakness of a town centre on a winter afternoon after 4pm. Saturdays are so much better because the shops are open a bit later.

Also, although other countries' shops are closed on a Sunday, they are open later on a Saturday than here so it's swings and roundabouts.

user2848502016 · 14/08/2025 21:06

Yes Sunday trading hours need a review in my opinion. The world has just changed too much since they came in.
I would actually rather go back to Wednesday early closing for shops so staff can have some down time, if they were then open a full day on Sunday!

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:04

IMissSparkling · 13/08/2025 18:17

I live in Scotland and often go to the supermarket on a Sunday evening. I find it so bizarre that England, with a bigger population, still has these antiquated Sunday trading laws.

It's because the SNP voted against the laws being relaxed (obviously other MPs did as well, but if the SNP had abstained, as they normally did on English-only matters, the changes would have happened).

I think it might have been when David Cameron was PM.

dynamiccactus · 14/08/2025 21:01

Yes I think there should be normal opening hours if they think it's worth it. I can't see why retail workers are any more deserving of the hallowed family time than people who have to work in cafes or at leisure parks or in leisure centres or anywhere else that is open on a Sunday, not to mention AA/RAC patrols and medical people.

I also think towns and cities would be less dead and boring on Sundays if shops were open later. Nothing more boring than a town centre after 4pm on a winter Sunday. It would also be safer, too - more people around.

I suspect a lot of shops would remain closed or keep the shorter opening hours because it simply isn't worth being open longer or at all, but that should be their decision to make.

The one thing I would stipulate if they were given that freedom would be that they had to offer set shifts like they were perfectly able to years ago and stop all this nonsensical week to week zero hours stuff.

And no I don't have to work on a Sunday so I am being hypocritical!

Imperativvv · 14/08/2025 20:39

MrsSunshine2b · 14/08/2025 20:23

Everyone deserves time off but a Sunday is the most illogical day.

Most people have 2 days when they are not at work and one of those days, everything is shut or only open for short hours.

If the shops shut on a weekday, then retail staff would get the same number of days off and all of us office monkeys would get a bit longer to do all the jobs that need doing.

It isnt. Public transport is worst that day, schools aren't open, and its harder to get private childcare or adult day care sessions that day. The structural barriers to work are highest on Sundays. And most of these sectors already have recruitment problems, so spreading existing provision over 7 days wouldn't be an option.