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Are the old meanings of the words woman and man redundant?

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Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:15

Various dictionary definitions seem
to have made the words woman and man redundant.

In short.

woman = XX chromosomes, adult human female (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always without the SRY genes)

woman = XY chromosomes, adult human male (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always with the SRY gene) but believe and feels they are XX and all the associated characteristics of an adult human female.

man = XY chromosomes, adult human male (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always with the SRY gene)

man = XX chromosomes, adult human female (including extremely rare cases of other chromosomal configurations but always without the SRY genes) but believe and feel they are XY.

If this was a venn diagram I’m not sure it would work.

AIBU to think we just need new words for the old biological meanings of these categories to save confusion?

OP posts:
Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2025 08:15

Atina321 · 13/08/2025 08:03

Another post to incite hate. You aren’t controversial or edgy, just inciting bigotry.

Report it then if you think that is what it's doing

EhWhatFor · 13/08/2025 08:14

AnSolas · 13/08/2025 08:07

And then we get the TRA gem of
"These men are the same as any Black Woman"
Or
This Sub-group of women is the same that sub-group of women.

Which is why TRAs fought for a space
Transgender-woman
Transwoman

You have created 4 groups or classes with single sex groupings that is "transphobic".

The TRA only want 2 groups of mixed sex class.

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I'm transphobic because I asked a question?

Cabinqueen · 13/08/2025 08:10

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:51

The dictionary definition and news reporting is not supporting this though

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The dictionary definition and news reporting is not supporting this though

But sensible people do, both men and women... 🤷🏼‍♀️

RhaenysRocks · 13/08/2025 08:09

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:31

But if trans identifying men are woman then they don’t work fine.
I think we need new words to define biology

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But they're not.

AnSolas · 13/08/2025 08:07

EhWhatFor · 13/08/2025 06:58

I'm probably being stupid but can't we use "man", "woman", "transgender man" and "transgender woman" to describe the groups? Would that cause offense? A transgender woman is a transgender woman etc etc...

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And then we get the TRA gem of
"These men are the same as any Black Woman"
Or
This Sub-group of women is the same that sub-group of women.

Which is why TRAs fought for a space
Transgender-woman
Transwoman

You have created 4 groups or classes with single sex groupings that is "transphobic".

The TRA only want 2 groups of mixed sex class.

Atina321 · 13/08/2025 08:03

Another post to incite hate. You aren’t controversial or edgy, just inciting bigotry.

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 08:02

Harshreality · 13/08/2025 07:49

Then they are breaking the law. No woman would be OK with mixed changing. Only a man would.

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I just double checked and it changed policy in June / July. After Supreme Court they told me otherwise. Delighted it's changed

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 08:00

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 07:42

My local leisure centre still says people can use the changing room which matches gender. So, in practical terms, it's a mixed changing room

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In Aptil, after Supreme Court, they told me they were still following advice from UK Active ie Stonewall law

I've just checked again and leisure centre changed policy in June / July ie actual law. Males must now use male toilets

I think we'll see a lot more of this ie the rainbow bunting comes down and policies are quietly changed. The cost of renovating toilets and changing rooms all over the UK to fully enclosed single cubicles would be huge

AnSolas · 13/08/2025 07:57

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:51

The dictionary definition and news reporting is not supporting this though

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New reporting you said?

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Aquabluemouse · 13/08/2025 07:55

No we don’t need new definitions. I don’t know a single person who struggles with the concept of man and woman- men are men, women are women, and some men like to pretend to be women.

What we need are dictionaries and all the other bandwagon jumpers to stop pandering to lunacy and TikTok trends.

SadTimesInFife · 13/08/2025 07:55

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:56

But isn’t the right thing to say, trans women are women?

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I "identify" you as a possum stirrer.
Or completely gullible and easily led.

AnSolas · 13/08/2025 07:49

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:34

Cambridge dictionary

  1. adult human female
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been considered to have a different sex at birth: Mary is a woman who was assigned maleat birth. transgender woman Marie is a transgender woman (= she was considered to be male at birth). 1.
  1. adult human female
an adult adult human male or human female who lives and identifies as female adult human female though they may have been considered to have a different¹ the other sex¹ at birth: Mary is a woman adult human female who was assigned² male at birth. transgender woman adult human female Marie is a transgender woman adult human female (= she was considered to be¹ male at birth).

For the definition to work it has to be able to replace the word being looked up and have the sentence still work.

¹ Humans are classed by sexual reproductive function of which there are only 2 class.

² Humans are classed by sexual reproductive function of which there are only 2 class which are either observed or classified after medical investigations.

Harshreality · 13/08/2025 07:49

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 07:42

My local leisure centre still says people can use the changing room which matches gender. So, in practical terms, it's a mixed changing room

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Then they are breaking the law. No woman would be OK with mixed changing. Only a man would.

GoodPudding · 13/08/2025 07:48

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:54

Many people and dictionaries seem to say that men can be women and that sex can be changed after it is ‘assigned at birth’

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Many people believe whole load of nonsense…doesn’t make it true.

RaininSummer · 13/08/2025 07:46

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 06:31

But if trans identifying men are woman then they don’t work fine.
I think we need new words to define biology

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But since this not true then the 'old' words are perfectly fine.

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 07:42

Harshreality · 13/08/2025 07:26

But they can't. That's the law

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My local leisure centre still says people can use the changing room which matches gender. So, in practical terms, it's a mixed changing room

SparklyGlitterballs · 13/08/2025 07:41

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 07:25

It if women’s changing rooms can be used by either men or women depending upon how they identify then what’s the point of labeling them women’s? The word is redundant no?

A number of organisations went all woke and were afraid of being sued or 'cancelled' so jumped on the bandwagon of allowing men into women's spaces. Now the Supreme Court has seen sense and accepted reality and women are gradually claiming back their safe spaces. Hallelujah!

Dancingsquirrels · 13/08/2025 07:40

Another approach could be to allow woman to have this definition ie include TW, but hold very firm on (1) definition of female ie sex based and (2) recording accurately when it matters eg crimes committed by males recorded as such

BundleBoogie · 13/08/2025 07:38

VioletandDill · 13/08/2025 07:27

Transwomen are women. Words can have more than one definition or complex definitions and the world doesn't collapse. TERFs are not radical. You're not rad at all.

Dunno whose side you're on, you troll of an OP, but nice wind up.

No, ‘transwomen’ are men.

Some words do have more than one meaning but ‘woman’ will never include people born male.

The activists that corrupted the dictionary with their ideology will be removed and the entries corrected.

I’m not sure why you feel the need to be name calling?

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2025 07:38

so using the link súpplied by OP & typing in woman the first thing I get is this

then the secund one is the one OP linking too

Are the old meanings of the words woman and man redundant?
MushMonster · 13/08/2025 07:37

Thadthimes · 13/08/2025 07:25

It if women’s changing rooms can be used by either men or women depending upon how they identify then what’s the point of labeling them women’s? The word is redundant no?

It is not possible since it has been clarified now that said spaces are separated based on sex, that not gender. Same for sports competitions, hospital wards and so on.
Would you prefer them called female and male changing rooms?

DabOfPistachio · 13/08/2025 07:33

VioletandDill · 13/08/2025 07:27

Transwomen are women. Words can have more than one definition or complex definitions and the world doesn't collapse. TERFs are not radical. You're not rad at all.

Dunno whose side you're on, you troll of an OP, but nice wind up.

'Trans' literally means the other side of or opposite of. Saying trans women are women saying 'the opposite of women' is women.
The only way that male people can be women is if you think 'women' are just a set of gendered stereotypes.
Both sexist and nonsense.

Dearg · 13/08/2025 07:33

Nice user name, Theo.

Sad times indeed.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2025 07:32

No we don't