Are the old meanings of the words woman and man redundant?

Trans identifying men are NOT women; they're ....... men. Who knew? The definitions we have are absolutely fine 🙂

As humans can't change sex its unnecessary to use assigned, observed or recorded in terms of a persons sex. It should just be what is your sex

As PP explained 'assigned' implies a subjective choice made by the healthcare practitioner to place the newborn in a particular category.

'Observed' is more objective - the healthcare practitioner is simply noticing and recording which category the baby fits into. In most cases, this is very easy to tell. In a very small number of cases, blood tests are needed to clarify ambiguity.

We don't get assigned a sex at birth though. We have a sex which is observed and recorded. Our sex is determined at conception and is often observed prior to birth.

As far as I know, yes, it is the official term for all of us. We all get a sex assigned at birth.
Most of us never thinks twice about it.

It is possible we need new words. But not to replace the traditional meanings of man/woman/boy/girl, as people understand these perfectly well in biological terms, whatever the dictionaries say. Even for people with DSDs, their sex is identifiable and real.

If society and dictionary-compilers feel the need for new words to describe the category of people who 'feel feminine' or 'feel masculine' or 'feel neither feminine or masculine' or whatever the correct way to describe what gender identity is about, then perhaps new words are needed for those categories.

Changing the meaning of existing words is childish and unhelpful.

And the poster I was replying to was correcting the term assigned at birth.
I do not disagree with you.
I was just baffled why they wanted to correct assigned by observed.

It is the official term?

The NHS digital service manual states

We use the phrase "sex assigned at birth" when we're talking about trans health and gender dysphoria, as this is the language our audience uses

Nothing about it being an official term

But.. the official term is assigned at birth.
There is no need to correct assigned at birth whatsoever.

Loving your work and your username OP.

Nit pick

Assign is a "action" of placing a value on what is observed.
In this case the doctor records the observation when matching the criteria off a list.

And it is named as recorded at birth, by the doctor who observed it and decided they fit, (even with a reason of doubt about female or male.👀🤷‍♀️).

The doctor is looking at a pre-determined list which has only 2 possible outcome
Is female
Is male

Similar to cancer or pregnancy the doctor cant assign only record an answer about a fact.

Their observation and/or conclusion as to the fact may wrong and their documentation of their mistake may have consequence but the state of being (have cancer or not, is pregnant or not, is female or not) has not changed.

I couldn’t DISagree with you more.

I am not saying or even hinting that you are transphobic

In the TWAW "world" asking the question is transphobic as you are showing you recognise that this group of men are not women.

Then in the TWAW "world" you go further and remove these men from the classification Woman and create a new class of Not-Women (Transgender-women or Transwomen) which would be described as acting from a position (or feeling) of transphobia

Its a dictionary, OP, not an instruction manual.

Eh? Are you feeling quite alright?

That’s brilliant news!

We need to keep plugging away and complaining to these organisations. It works eventually.

It would also add a massive ongoing up keep cost as even with purpose design and build cleaning etc takes more time and money
And due to design limits reterofits cost even more

If you are in the UK ask the staff for the email address of whoever is responsible for the LC and write and ask why they decided not to avail of the single sex exemption or if they has why they are allowing males into the womens changing areas

OP, what you're suggesting would mean those people formally known as women, would no longer be protected in law, so we'd then have to start campaigning for our rights all over again, and once weve done that, theres nothing to stop men from appropriating us all over again. Seems far easier to just put some pressure on those responsible for editing dictionaries, to grow the fuck up.

They are not in the UK.
Some women asked a Judge or two and its now official they are men🤷‍♀️

This level of debate

It is observed indeed. But then it goes into your birth certificate and from there, rest of your paperwork. And it is named as assigned at birth, by the doctor who observed it and decided they fit, with no reason of doubt into female or male.
And.... it is so to account for a very small % of babies whose sex does not match that observed at birth or they cannot be put into female/ male group by their external genitalia. The actual deveopment of sex differentiation during pregnancy is complex, involves a lot of chromosomes and hormones, from both the mother and the fetus. So, in some cases, assigned at birth and actual sex do not coincide and in some cases this is not found out till puberty.

TBF "breasts" are a body part which both sex have.

We have chests, and breast tissues and nipples.

Female sexual development and male sexual development determine a different development pathway for breast which originate from the sexual reproduction role(class). Only a woman can grow a baby and she produces food from her body to feed her baby.

Ok Trans Man & Trans Woman

It’s not ‘assigned’ anyway - it’s observed.