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To think that if a school early morning club says 7:45 start, that 7:50 is not acceptable?

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orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 09:50

I desperately need a job. I mean, I really really need to take what I can.

I have found one that's perfect for me, which is great, because I've been applying for any old crap tbh, so I'm excited to see something that I actually want to do and can do.

I can't drive, I'm not going into it, but learning to drive isn't an option for me.
This is fine because before I apply for any job I check that public transport routes work for me.

The job I want starts at 9am, but it's in the next town over. There is a bus that stops directly opposite my DD's school that will get me to work for 8:40, so even leaves time if the bus is late.
However, because it's in the next town over, this is the ONLY bus available to get to work as there is only one an hour (back-up plan on rare days bus is cancelled is a taxi but this can't be a regular long term plan due to cost)

This bus leaves at 7:52. Early morning club at my daughter's school starts at 7:45.

I have, on a few sporadic occasions, used this early morning club, and my experience has been that the lady who runs it will often amble casually over to the gates at 7:48, 7:50 or even something like 7:53 and start letting children in.

I absolutely need to be saying goodbye to my daughter and walking away at 7:45 (and yes, I am paying from 7:45) so that I've got enough time to cross the road and get the bus, and allow for the bus to show up a couple of minutes early.

Is it unreasonable to say to the school that I absolutely need to drop her off when it's supposed to open at 7:45 and I can't wait any longer?

The unreliability is making me question whether or not it's worth applying for the job as I may not be able to get there, nor handle the frustration of seeing my bus drive past while this woman gets her act together.

I'm just worried about coming across as petty because I don't think people that rely on public transport really appreciate how important being exactly on time is, and that two minutes does make a difference.

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Datafan55 · 12/08/2025 10:30

Serpentstooth · 12/08/2025 10:27

Ask another parent to watch your child for 5 minutes if you must. They can help you. The Internet can't.

She wasn't asking the internet for help watching her child, she was asking if she was unreasonable to expect the club to open at 7.45.

theressomanytinafeysicouldbe · 12/08/2025 10:29

If you are offered the job I would speak to whoever runs the club and explain the situation with the bus times and that you have to do drop off at exactly 7.45.

Will she have any friends that already go the club - that would be getting dropped off at the same time, i'm sure another parent wouldn't mind you leaving you daughter for a few minutes waiting with their child if you know any of the other mums. Or as PP suggested a local childminder who does drop offs

However, you are using a service which offers care from 7.45, and if you are not getting that service I would speak to the school, it will be them who employs the people who run it

Thefuture2025 · 12/08/2025 10:29

I hear you!!! I used to hate this!! I had to be at my desk for 8am, no flexibility and it was so stressful. My breakfast club was really punctual and it was still stressful. Just have a polite word, you're not unreasonable.

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:27

AllKindsOfThingsAreInteresting · 12/08/2025 10:22

In a similar circumstance, I paid a childminder who was dropping off already to wait with my child in addition to the ones she already had. She arrived 5 minutes early than she normally would and I got to work on time.

It's actually just occurred to me that I can't really get the bus from home, I need to get it from the school, so I need to go there anyway lol. So a childminder doing drop offs would sadly be pointless.

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Serpentstooth · 12/08/2025 10:27

Ask another parent to watch your child for 5 minutes if you must. They can help you. The Internet can't.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 12/08/2025 10:26

Ask, but also keep an eye out for other parents. I'm always early, as is one other mother, and we're often asked to keep an eye on a friend's child for 2 minutes while they wait for the gate to open.

Some form of transport to the next town like the electric bike really isn't a bad idea either though - if there's safe parking - depending on how reliable the bus is

user1492757084 · 12/08/2025 10:25

Say goodbye and leave her at 7:45 am.

Walk across the road and catch your bus. Your daughter will be fine waiting at the school gate for a few minutes. Children all over the country walk to school. Your child is going to be at the school gate and not leave until the school club opens. Other kids will likely arrive as well. Soon she will recognise those other families and feel fine waiting a few minutes with them.

mondaytosunday · 12/08/2025 10:25

My DH swam every morning and had his routine scheduled down to the minute. The gym is supposed to open at 6am and he always got there a few minutes early. If the gym opened more than two minutes late his morning was off and he’d miss his train. I can tell you in the few days it happened they got a complaint from him! Don’t pussy foot around. Say you rely on the club being open at 7.45 as advertised and demand that it be so. Yes, please be ‘that’ parent in this case.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/08/2025 10:24

If you're able to cycle an electric bike is also an option

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/08/2025 10:23

I think you should speak to school if you get the job, but also surely there are other parents you could ask to keep an eye on your child for 5 mins if they're late? Or are you the only one there that early!

MellowTiger · 12/08/2025 10:23

I would speak to the school head first, as others have suggested. I was always told if you start work at 7.45 that means getting to work at 7.35, to have you coat off and get prepared to start. My DH works in the NHS and he is expected to be changed into his uniform to start shift at 7am.
Could you also ask another parent to just keep an eye on your daughter for the 5 minutes? I drop my grandson at school - similar situation that we wait at a locked gate - I would be quite happy to watch a sensible 7 year old for 5 minutes

AllKindsOfThingsAreInteresting · 12/08/2025 10:22

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:15

Oooh childminder might not be a bad idea!

In a similar circumstance, I paid a childminder who was dropping off already to wait with my child in addition to the ones she already had. She arrived 5 minutes early than she normally would and I got to work on time.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 12/08/2025 10:21

Can't you leave her with another parent if the doors aren't open.

I would email the school and say your child will be there at 7:45, if they are late then they will have to let her in unaccompanied as you were there with her when it should have opened

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:20

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 12/08/2025 10:17

Won't there be other parents milling about for the doors to open who don't have this down-to-the-minute time pressure that you have? I'd stand with a 7yo while waiting with my own if their parent needed to dash for a minute or two.

From having used it in the past, there's only two or three other parents waiting, I think the rest start to come in about 8am.
However, I don't know what the new school year will be like and I need a more solid plan that doesn't really on random people

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stichguru · 12/08/2025 10:19

I would definately apply for the job. Speak to the school about opening the breakfast club at 7,45 because it's frankly not on to be opening late (after all if parents could truly just be flexible, they'd all find jobs that started at 9,30 and save loads of money!). Look at whether there are childminders near the school that do the school run, as it's likely they will open on time given that they absolutely rely on the income from their parents.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 12/08/2025 10:17

Won't there be other parents milling about for the doors to open who don't have this down-to-the-minute time pressure that you have? I'd stand with a 7yo while waiting with my own if their parent needed to dash for a minute or two.

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:15

Namenamchange · 12/08/2025 10:14

Sorry fron experience this won’t work, I had 10 mins to get to work, breakfast club was always late opening, I used to watch them go in from the car, they then changed the rules, and you had to sign them in, there was always a queue of people waiting to sign in and it meant finding somewhere to park which just added time on. I’d say try a childminder instead.

Oooh childminder might not be a bad idea!

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Bitzee · 12/08/2025 10:14

By all means chat with the head because you’re not wrong and 7.45 should mean 7.45 but I think it might be an unrealistic aim just because all the schools/preschools mine have ever been to are regularly late opening by a few minutes. Are there others queuing outside from 7.45am waiting for it to open? I’d be ok about leaving a sensible Y3 in the school queue but not on the street by themselves if there’s no one else around.

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:14

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/08/2025 10:02

I used to have this issues with the school breakfast club at primary school and it irritated me.

The deputy head ran the breakfast club and it was theoretically open from 7.30am but in practice rarely open until 7.45am. And as you say she would casually walk out to open the gates, chatting to the gardeners on her merry way.

Notwithstanding the fact that teachers are overworked and knackered (which I have sympathy with), I do think if you charge for and advertise a service, knowing a lot of parents rely on it for their jobs, you should open when you say you're going to open.

I would raise it with the head and, if that doesn't work, the governors.

Completely sympathise with teachers being overworked and knackered. My parents were teachers, as were my maternal grandparents. I get the life.

But the lady who runs early morning club and after school club does just that. Those clubs are her whole job that she is employed for. She doesn't have any other role in the school besides them. EMC is only 45 minutes long and ASC is two hours.

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Namenamchange · 12/08/2025 10:14

Sorry fron experience this won’t work, I had 10 mins to get to work, breakfast club was always late opening, I used to watch them go in from the car, they then changed the rules, and you had to sign them in, there was always a queue of people waiting to sign in and it meant finding somewhere to park which just added time on. I’d say try a childminder instead.

Thedoorisalwaysopen · 12/08/2025 10:11

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:10

By the time they go back, I'll be ready to start the job literally one of two days after the first day back. Closing date is Friday, interviews are next week. I could have a job offer in less than two weeks.
So if I am successful, I won't be speaking to them until I do have the job anyway.
I'm just trying to ascertain if it's reasonable to speak to them at all before I bother applying.

it definitely is. 7:45 means 7:45 not 'when we feel like it'. Before school childcare is there for that reason - for kids whose parents need to head to work early, and it isn't fair for them to make you late because of their poor time keeping.

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:10

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/08/2025 10:06

First of all I’d wait til I’d got the job to speak to anyone about the club starting late.

But if you do, yes I’d speak to the school/ the lady who runs the club about needing to start at 7.45

By the time they go back, I'll be ready to start the job literally one of two days after the first day back. Closing date is Friday, interviews are next week. I could have a job offer in less than two weeks.
So if I am successful, I won't be speaking to them until I do have the job anyway.
I'm just trying to ascertain if it's reasonable to speak to them at all before I bother applying.

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Thedoorisalwaysopen · 12/08/2025 10:10

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:07

She is a sensible 7 year old, just about to start year 3. I probably could leave her, just for a moment, although I wouldn't like it.
However, since a mum complained a few years ago about her 9yo being let out alone to wait for her when she was running late, and kicked up a huge fuss on social media about it, the school have tightened up on their policies and doesn't admit or release unaccompanied children before year 5.

That's fair - young children shouldn't be unsupervised. But they wouldn't 'need' to be if the school could get their act together and open the gate when they say they will, so that parents like you who are on a non negotiable deadline to get to work on public transport can make their trip.
As PP have said, speak to the school. You are probably not the only one in this situation.
Good luck with the job!

Paradoes · 12/08/2025 10:09

You sound like a perfectly reasonable and sensible person- I would discreetly talk to the Headteacher

Good luck with application

orangesandlemonssaythebellsofstclements · 12/08/2025 10:07

CherieBabySpliffUp · 12/08/2025 09:53

How old is your child? Could they wait outside until the person running it opens up, with strict instructions to NOT MOVE. If the school queries why you've left her outside say that they opened late.

She is a sensible 7 year old, just about to start year 3. I probably could leave her, just for a moment, although I wouldn't like it.
However, since a mum complained a few years ago about her 9yo being let out alone to wait for her when she was running late, and kicked up a huge fuss on social media about it, the school have tightened up on their policies and doesn't admit or release unaccompanied children before year 5.

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