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To not help my friend- passport fraud

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Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 11:54

My friend and me are quite close. Two years ago she wanted a new baby and found a sperm donor on a website. This bloke got her pregnant but then he wanted access. She didn't want him to but the courts gave him access and now he has the kid a couple of times a month. My friend is now married and she changed her kids name to her new husbands name. The father has found out and is now going back to the courts. She also got a passport in the new name and the father nows this. The father is now going to the police as he says its passport fraud. I dont believe him as she has the right to change her childs name but it says not in the court order. Its like she cant do anything without his permission. Its not fair on her.
She wants my help in trying to get her out of this but I dont know how and also I don't think shes in the wrong.

AIBU?

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dizzydizzydizzy · 11/08/2025 16:55

I don't see what you could do other than find her a solicitor.

JustSawJohnny · 11/08/2025 16:53

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 14:27

I know it sounds unlikely but its unfortunately true. She told me about the sperm donor website but she did want a relationshipwith him and also met his family. Ive been with my husband for 7 years and my friend and I met through a baby group. She does make bad decisions and has told me she lost friends due to a joke she tried to play on the father. She doesn't seem to have many people which is why ive stuck around. She did say that he signed a contract through a website but they the judge ignored it. In the time Ive known her shes had a number of men in her life. I don't agree with it but its her life. She just seems defenceless and she won't listen. I didn't sign the passport form as I knew it was wrong. I try and help people where I can but given the replies on here I didn't realise quite how serious it is. The only issue with the dad is she doesnt like him. she throws away anything the dad gives the kid. Theres sonmuch other stuff shes done but i cant help but feel sorry for her.

You need to switch your feeling bad for her to feeling bad for the kid.

She throws away everything the child's Dad gives them?! Can you imagine how damaging that is to the child?!!

The more you say, the more problematic your friend sounds.

Elektra1 · 11/08/2025 16:51

Your “friend” sounds (a) fairly stupid (getting a friend to text the dad that she and the kid had died and expecting him to just believe that?!) and (b) dangerously unhinged if she thinks she can just have sex with a man to get pregnant and then deny him any contact with the child.

Once she understands that she can’t do that, she will probably then start making wild accusations of physical or sexual abuse by him. I feel sorry for the guy. If this were my “friend” I would tell them what’s what and have no more to do with her if she carries on in this vein.

Bigcat25 · 11/08/2025 16:48

Your friend has a personality disorder if this is real.

Bigcat25 · 11/08/2025 16:44

Parental abandonment and alienation is very serious. She is harming her child by doing this, and harming her relationship with both parents. Her daughter won't be happy to hear she kept her dad away when she's older, as he will certainly tell her about what happened.

The lying is very serious and abnormal. Sometimes lying is normalized on these boards but it's not a normal thing. I would tell her to think about long term consequences of her behavior. She should think twice about lying in court.

Mercurysinretrograde · 11/08/2025 16:40

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:56

Thank you. When we first met she had lot's of story's about how she was on her own and how her best friend betrayed her. I babysat when she went out on dates. The husband is overbearing and this is why i feel she's getting pressed into changing the name. I'm a bit nervous incase she drags me into things. She eventually told me that the reason her and her best friend don't speak is because the friend and her messaged the dad to tell him that my friend and her kid had been killed in a car accident. They thought they'd get rid of him that way. She eneded up with a caution as did the friend. The friend got angry and cut her off. I was gobsmacked but she always makes herself to be the victim. I don't know what to believe but its draining.

This must be the most disgraceful thing I’ve ever read on Mumsnet. Your friend has zero moral standards and it sounds like the child would be better off with daddy for rent than with this manipulative cretin.

NamelessNancy · 11/08/2025 16:20

LeavesOnTrees · 11/08/2025 13:07

The best thing you can do is point out that she has no choice but to co-parent with the father of her child.
She sounds incredibly selfish. Maybe it's lucky for the child the father does want to be involved. Hopefully he's a decent man.

Do you think a man posting on a webite to find random women to get pregnant is likely to be particularly decent? Anyway, I'll take comfort in his likely fictional status myself.

steff13 · 11/08/2025 16:13

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:56

Thank you. When we first met she had lot's of story's about how she was on her own and how her best friend betrayed her. I babysat when she went out on dates. The husband is overbearing and this is why i feel she's getting pressed into changing the name. I'm a bit nervous incase she drags me into things. She eventually told me that the reason her and her best friend don't speak is because the friend and her messaged the dad to tell him that my friend and her kid had been killed in a car accident. They thought they'd get rid of him that way. She eneded up with a caution as did the friend. The friend got angry and cut her off. I was gobsmacked but she always makes herself to be the victim. I don't know what to believe but its draining.

She's a monster. You need to back away from this friendship. I hope for the sake of that kid her dad's going for primary custody.

itsgettingweird · 11/08/2025 16:11

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:56

Thank you. When we first met she had lot's of story's about how she was on her own and how her best friend betrayed her. I babysat when she went out on dates. The husband is overbearing and this is why i feel she's getting pressed into changing the name. I'm a bit nervous incase she drags me into things. She eventually told me that the reason her and her best friend don't speak is because the friend and her messaged the dad to tell him that my friend and her kid had been killed in a car accident. They thought they'd get rid of him that way. She eneded up with a caution as did the friend. The friend got angry and cut her off. I was gobsmacked but she always makes herself to be the victim. I don't know what to believe but its draining.

Believe nothing.

your husband is right that she just brings drama.

I just hope the dad gets full custody eventually and this child gets raised in a stable home with stable adults in their life.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 11/08/2025 16:11

Shes not been a great friend, she's used me before and always asking for money. I'm often left not knowing what to believe. I'm just going to not respond. My husband has complained that she just brings drama.

Why on earth do you still speak to her? She’s disgusting and you would be well rid.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/08/2025 16:08

She got her friend to tell him that his child HAD BEEN KILLED!!?! Shock And then tried to pass it off as a "joke"?

She's a disaster area. An on-going car crash. A nightmare. Keep well away otherwise you'll find yourself embroiled in her chaos and drama and it won't do you any favours.

Velmy · 11/08/2025 16:00

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:56

Thank you. When we first met she had lot's of story's about how she was on her own and how her best friend betrayed her. I babysat when she went out on dates. The husband is overbearing and this is why i feel she's getting pressed into changing the name. I'm a bit nervous incase she drags me into things. She eventually told me that the reason her and her best friend don't speak is because the friend and her messaged the dad to tell him that my friend and her kid had been killed in a car accident. They thought they'd get rid of him that way. She eneded up with a caution as did the friend. The friend got angry and cut her off. I was gobsmacked but she always makes herself to be the victim. I don't know what to believe but its draining.

If you carried on contact with her after this then I don't know what to tell you, you deserve all the stress you get.

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:56

Thank you. When we first met she had lot's of story's about how she was on her own and how her best friend betrayed her. I babysat when she went out on dates. The husband is overbearing and this is why i feel she's getting pressed into changing the name. I'm a bit nervous incase she drags me into things. She eventually told me that the reason her and her best friend don't speak is because the friend and her messaged the dad to tell him that my friend and her kid had been killed in a car accident. They thought they'd get rid of him that way. She eneded up with a caution as did the friend. The friend got angry and cut her off. I was gobsmacked but she always makes herself to be the victim. I don't know what to believe but its draining.

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Maxorias · 11/08/2025 15:47

PS - I do think that it's better for the children to know as much as possible about where they came from. This is why I chose an open ID donor for mine (they can find out the donor's identity when they turn 18). I'd encourage your friend to try and see the bright side of things. Plus if the dad is loaded this may open doors for the child in the future - not just in terms of money but also connections, help finding a good job, etc.

And then fade out of the friendship as it's not working for you.

BondAway25 · 11/08/2025 15:42

AgentJohnson · 11/08/2025 12:44

So your friend didn’t follow an official pathway but decided to have unprotected sex with some random off the internet. You can’t protect or defend your friend from her own stupidity.

Unfortunately this really.

I'd be focussing on her getting out of this marriage first. She's been married 5 minutes & he's treating her badly.

the rest can wait until she's sorted that.

WheresthesaladTheresthesalad · 11/08/2025 15:41

Sounds like an exhausting friend. Stay out of it and keep her very much at arms length.

Dancingsquirrels · 11/08/2025 15:35

Anonomoso · 11/08/2025 12:25

She can NOT change the babies babe without his permission.

Agree..

A friend remarried and had to get her DC's father to give permission for her to change their DC's surname to her married one. I was asked to be a witness to it.

It's not a matter of just filling in paperwork and job done, it has to be done legally via the solicitor/courts.

If birth father not named on birth certificate, she may well be entitled to change the child's name, obtain birth certificate in new name and use that to get a passport in new name. Where I live, this would be totally fine

ETA, just spotted bio father is now on birth certificate

Maxorias · 11/08/2025 15:34

Based on your last updates, I'm not sure why you're still in touch with her ? Don't stay her friend out of pity. If it doesn't work for you then it doesn't. Frankly, after reading all of your updates, it sounds like she's the cause of a lot of her own problems. I was very sympathetic at first but less and less with each update. Throwing away her child's toys because the dad gave it to them is awful.

DaisyChain505 · 11/08/2025 15:34

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:29

The kid had my friend's name but she changed all the surnames when she got married. The whole thing is a mess and seeing the responses has made me realise quite how bad ut is. She still has feelings for rhe dad and messages him when she drinks. Shes not been a great friend, she's used me before and always asking for money. I'm often left not knowing what to believe. I'm just going to not respond. My husband has complained that she just brings drama.

Your “friend” is a typical example of a bitter woman using her child to harm a man. It’s the only way she has control and it’s damaging to the child.

She’s vindictive and not a nice person.

Lostworlds · 11/08/2025 15:31

personally I would cut contact with her, it all sounds messy and unhealthy and I feel sorry for the poor child dragged into this mess.
It also sounds like she’s bitter with the child’s father not wanting a relationship and is punishing him about it all. She essentially dated him if they met families etc. he just sounds like he ended the relationship and she’s annoyed about it.

Soontobe60 · 11/08/2025 15:30

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 12:35

I have no legal training ans I dont work for the passport office. I dont know what she wants me to do but shes been on the phone crying to me. She met him through an unofficial sperm donor website. She signed up that she wanted a baby and they had sex until she was pregnant and after it as well. She wanted a relationship but he didnt. Theres even a contract on the website that he signed so say he didnt want to have anything to do with the kid but he changed his mind. Hes on the birth certificate now as the court made it happen. I feel sorry for her because shes really upset and her husband is being really mean.

I dont know how to help her but I feel mean for not helping.

The dad pays maintenance and he sticks to the court order. He's got a big job and money and my friend doesnt. I want to help but dont know how. She doesn't have the money to get a lawywer.

GRIM!
The father wasn’t a sperm donor - a sperm donor doesn't have sex repeatedly with the potential mother. It sounds like he was someone who wanted a child without the relationship with another woman. She was very very foolish to go down this route. However, that being said, it’s good for the child that he wants to have a relationship with them.
My advice to your friend would be ‘
“the courts have ordered that the father now has PR, your child will likely have a better future with knowing their father (assuming the F is decent) so it would be better to make the most of the situation. Abide by the courts decision and correct the name change”

Ravenblue · 11/08/2025 15:29

The kid had my friend's name but she changed all the surnames when she got married. The whole thing is a mess and seeing the responses has made me realise quite how bad ut is. She still has feelings for rhe dad and messages him when she drinks. Shes not been a great friend, she's used me before and always asking for money. I'm often left not knowing what to believe. I'm just going to not respond. My husband has complained that she just brings drama.

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DaisyChain505 · 11/08/2025 15:29

So he wasn’t a sperm donor he was a man she had an on going relationship with to the point she met his family.

She doesn’t get to just erase this man from her child’s life because she’s now met and married someone else.

This child is not an object that she doesn’t want to share, her child is a human being who deserves both parents in their life.

Megapint · 11/08/2025 15:23

pinkyredrose · 11/08/2025 12:52

What name did the baby originally have?

Anory 1st name Jack?

Ponderingwindow · 11/08/2025 15:22

Your friend is going to lose primary residential custody if she keeps on behaving like this. A good friend will advise her to follow the court order and to coparent effectively. She will probably end the friendship because she doesn’t sound like a person who wants good advice, but you can’t save someone who doesn’t actually want help.

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