To not help my friend- passport fraud

Ah ok, apologies. Did not see her clarification.
I mean I don't agree with what she has done. No man should be cut out, especially if he wants to be involved. But of a aubergine move by her mate imo.

Law must have changed.. l changed my daughters surname when l left her Dad.. solicitor did it.. said it was legal because we wasn't married.. so she was illegitimate and only l had parental responsibility.

I think she’s winding you up

I don’t think the police will be getting involved in ‘passport fraud’ that’s a passport office problem.

I’m not sure why the dad is bothered about the name change as it’s not his name that’s been usurped

While lying about being dead was vile, I am not actually sure what crime it is that would be sanctioned by a caution

I think he was a "sperm donor" in the respect that they had a casual relationship, she got pregnant, and she wanted a relationship and he didn't. So now it fits her narrative for him to be a sperm donor rather than a guy who wants contact with his child.

If you don't have a passport, there's no need for the thread at all, as you can't sign it - 'I don't have a valid passport and you need one to sign it'.

Sorted.

She needs to get proper legal advice. You need to stay out - all you can do is advise her to get proper legal advice. If you try and help her do something illegal (even unknowingly) you could be landed in trouble. If he is someone she just got pregnant by then he has full parental rights the same as her. If she used a proper sperm donor clinic then they will advise. It sounds like he has full parental rights. The law decides and the court decides and you need to stay out or risk being found in contempt of court if you try and stop court processes (not that you suggested this). Your friend needs to use proper legal channels and find a solicitor or self represent in court. But she wont stand a chance arguing she had a right to change his name because she did not if the dad had parental rights. Yes it does seem unfair that once you have a child with someone that they get to control what you do with that child until the age of 16.... but thats the way it is. The sooner your friend realises this the better. The court looks at all decisions from the perspective of the needs of the child not the wants of the parents. So for example - the chid has a right to a relationship with their biological dad. The child has a right to retain their biological dads name - the list goes on. Its just the way it is.

From what is described here it sounds more like the father shoukd get legal advice and take full custody of the child. This woman is not well and sounds like an irresponsible, immature and utterly selfish creature who just wants babies and gives no shit about the wellbeing of the child and how her action impacts how the child develops. it sounds like the father really cares and is very possibly worried to leave his child full time with this woman. Poor children, every day there is at least one post about women who want babies but don't give a minute thought of what the child needs.

They slept together several times before and after pregnancy
He was not an anonymous sperm donor.
He went to court to get put on the birth certificate as the father and has parental responsibility

How on earth does a sperm donor get parental rights in the first place? You’re not required to name them on the birth certificate. Seems there must be more to the story.

The best help anyone can give her is pointing her at a lawyer with expertise in donor conception who can help her unpick the mess. If she can't afford it then there are crowd funding platforms specifically for legal work.

Donor Conception Network are a good place for resources on talking to children about being donor conceived.

She sounds utterly unhinged!! That poor baby being treated like a commodity to play with :(

It's crappy what he done if the original agreement was sperm donation only, however if he has parental responsibility, on the birth certificate, has access etc, she can't just change the kids name without his approval.

She does make bad decisions and has told me she lost friends due to a joke she tried to play on the father

A joke? She got her friend to tell her child's dad that their son (and her) died in a car crash. How is that a joke?

This woman sounds absolutely horrendous and I'm not surprised social services are involved.

And this is why it's so important to go down the proper path if using a sperm donor... there are so many dodgy websites out there.

Why would anyone use a sperm donor from a random website rather than through a fully vetted medical clinic. Sounds like she didn't want him involved at all so why do something seedy like this where there was no protection for her? I also saw a Facebook page for this kind of thing too. All very odd tbh.

I suspect you and your friend are stupid. If your friend didn’t make the appropriate legal arrangements beforehand then of course he has legal parental responsibility also and has the right to a 50:50 say. She has been stupid and created the whole situation for herself and now she is dragging you into it. If you have any sense you will stay well clear.

If she doesn't have your passport number, she can't do that. Counter-signatories for a passport must have one of their own. The details won't match up and the passport office will reject it. If they do contact you by any chance, tell the truth.

Okay.
Is this actually real?
If the mother and father weren't married then he would have had to have gone to the registry office with her to register the baby in order for the baby to be registered in his name in the UK. Why did she take him to the registry office if she didn't want him involved unless to get child support.
If he was just a sperms donor why did he register the baby with her? So that bit doesnt hold up.
So know she has illegally changed the name by deed poll to her married name? Without his permission? Believe me if you could just do it legally I would have done it. So she has forged paperwork.
This is serious fraudulent crap. She's lying to him to HM government but most of all she's lied to you and you should walk away before you are implicated.

For the passport. She asked me to sign it and I said no but given her level of dishonesty I'm concerned that she might have.

But she wouldn't have your passport number, would she so she couldn't do this?

Or have you counter-signed her passport (as your OP is very clear how unfair you think she is being treated) and now you're panicking that you'll get caught and prosecuted?

of course she cant do these things without the child's father's permission..whether she's married or not

she wanted a "new baby" like a new handbag? what does that even mean?

Well yes, she clarified all of that yesterday after my comment was new.

Don't get involved, she's got herself in this mess and even though you agree with what she's done. It is illegal, he's got PR, she cannot change the child's name without his permission legally and most people are aware of this. She must of lied on a form somewhere to change his name, or the passport or most likely both. I'd advise her to seek legal advice for both criminal and family matters and to give her head a wobble and look up what she can and can't do without his permission.

Your friend didn't go through proper channels to become pregnant by a sperm donor. She signed up to a random web site/Facebook page, and had sex with a stranger. She became pregnant, and thought this man would stand by the original agreement of him not getting involved with the baby. It has massively backfired, because he's now on the birth certificate and has Court ordered access. Your friend can't change the baby's surname, without the Dad's permission. He has parental responsibility, and has the same rights as your friend. Your friend shares the baby with this man, he has a say in every aspect of the baby's life. Your friend is stuck in this situation until the baby is 18. As for the passport, unless you work in a profession eg. Doctor, nurse, accountant etc, you can't countersign a passport. I'm not sure what your friend is expecting from you??!!! You can't wave a magic wand, and make the situation go away!! Your friend made a huge mistake, by not going through proper, regulated channels for sperm donor. She's now paying the price for her stupidity. All she can do is accept the situation, and co-parent the best she can.