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To feel inconvenienced by a tragic accident?

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OnemargarIta · 11/08/2025 11:36

I'm currently in Italy (staying in Rome) for three nights. It's my first foreign break in a warm country and I've been so excited and saved up especially.

We booked an excursion for today consisting of a trip to Sorrento where we'd spend time exploring, visiting shops and enjoying local food - and then on to Pompeii on the route back.

We've spent the whole morning/day so far stuck in traffic on the motor way. We are so behind schedule we can now no longer go to Sorrento first because Pompeii closes at 5.30 and there won't be time. A sit down restaurant meal will now be replaced by a takeaway which will be eaten on the coach.

We've just been told the cause of the traffic jam and it's because somebody has died in a collision on the motorway.

Instead of feeling saddened about the loss of life I just feel inconvenienced and pissed off that the highlight of my trip has been ruined.

Does this make me a shitty person? It just occurred that it might 😳

OP posts:
Pearl87 · 11/08/2025 20:37

I don't think the OP is unusual. Some of the "Find Madeleine" billboards in Portugal were vandalised by locals who were furious at the impact Madeleine's disappearance had on their businesses. It's how the human race is.

Justchilling07 · 11/08/2025 20:31

ThatIsEnoughForOneDay · 11/08/2025 19:38

It is ok to find humour in things around death. My cousin said something like ‘dad will be up there pissed off at himself for causing a road closure’, because he was the first to moan LOUDLY about being delayed in traffic for any reason.

Everyone realises that when people die, there will usually be loved ones who are upset, that doesn’t need spelling out in an attempt to make people feel bad. I find that really odd. My uncle was loved, but to others, the RTA would have just been an inconvenience. People probably missed all sorts of things due to it and were probably disappointed which is ok.

That’s your opinion, that’s it’s ok to find humour around death, not everyone feels the same way about it and that’s ok, it’s not odd.Context is everything.
It’s not a case of making others feel bad, it’s about being respectful that someone has died in tragic circumstances.Which is not about feigning sadness either, your day may have been disrupted, you might feel annoyed, that’s understandable, is it really necessary to be so vocal about it though, how inconvenienced you’ve been.
The thread started, about someone dying in an RTA, then moved onto some posters finding humour in people who died from suicide, some of these comments were disgusting and MN took them down Maybe you didn’t see them, but it caused upset to people who have lost friends, family members through suicide, many people commented about this.And that’s where the thread changed.
Yes people die in tragic circumstances all the time, no one’s expecting anyone to be sad, just that it’s not the worst thing to happen that your day has been disrupted.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 11/08/2025 20:22

SleeplessInWherever · 11/08/2025 19:56

I actually find the sympathy of people who don’t know the deceased incredibly condescending.

When my FIL died a colleague asked if she could come to the funeral as moral support. No, you can’t.

I got bored of the “my thoughts are with you xx” messages and sick of the sad-face-head-tilts that didn’t make my family any less bereaved.

Deep down, I know none of these people are actually bothered. It’s not their loss, or their grief, and that’s alright. But I find the pretence irritating.

Some of you are irrated by people sending condolences? Weird.

I felt more irrated by the young woman pissing herself about something behind me in a shop queue after my Brother died after giving her a lift from the airport the day before.

I'm leaving this thread.

I'm sick of the over use of internal misogyny and now virtue signalling which some posters love to over use over and over again.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 11/08/2025 20:12

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:13

But YOU aren’t virtue signalling here.

I feel like some people on this thread, if they were on OP’s coach, would have filmed themselves falling about wailing and then posted it on their socials to show everyone just how ‘empathetic’ they are.

There is a big difference between empathy and virtue signalling. In some ways they are polar opposites.

I may have misunderstood you, my apologies.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 20:03

SleeplessInWherever · 11/08/2025 19:56

I actually find the sympathy of people who don’t know the deceased incredibly condescending.

When my FIL died a colleague asked if she could come to the funeral as moral support. No, you can’t.

I got bored of the “my thoughts are with you xx” messages and sick of the sad-face-head-tilts that didn’t make my family any less bereaved.

Deep down, I know none of these people are actually bothered. It’s not their loss, or their grief, and that’s alright. But I find the pretence irritating.

I agree. It’s the disingenuousness of it that I find jarring.

SleeplessInWherever · 11/08/2025 19:56

I actually find the sympathy of people who don’t know the deceased incredibly condescending.

When my FIL died a colleague asked if she could come to the funeral as moral support. No, you can’t.

I got bored of the “my thoughts are with you xx” messages and sick of the sad-face-head-tilts that didn’t make my family any less bereaved.

Deep down, I know none of these people are actually bothered. It’s not their loss, or their grief, and that’s alright. But I find the pretence irritating.

TheyreStillGoingWithThemPlumsKerr · 11/08/2025 19:51

I also think a lot of these posters are full or shit. I don’t believe for a second they spend every waking moment saddened by strangers’ deaths.
We’re all capable of being selfish - it’s perfectly normal and human - and have times where our own wants overshadow that of anything else. (And I say that as someone who can be moved to tears hearing about the tragedies of strangers. And I always hope dearly no one is seriously hurt whenever I pass an accident. But that’s me; I don’t think anyone who doesn’t is awful or wrong).
I lost a close loved one in a RTA - I didn’t, and don’t, expect everyone in the world to feel saddened by it. That’s a sadness for his loved ones/us to carry - not perfect strangers

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:50

OnemargarIta · 11/08/2025 19:29

I genuinely do think most people feel like that IRL too.

They do feel like this in real life.

ThatIsEnoughForOneDay · 11/08/2025 19:38

Letmehaveabloodyusernameplease · 11/08/2025 19:25

I do agree and I'm sorry you've been through this too.
It was the posters laughing that were pissing me off which is why I thought I'd give some context, (not for sympathy, I actually find sympathetic gestures uncomfortable), my context was to show that whoever died on OP's route was a real person with family members.
Not just an inconvenience.

It is ok to find humour in things around death. My cousin said something like ‘dad will be up there pissed off at himself for causing a road closure’, because he was the first to moan LOUDLY about being delayed in traffic for any reason.

Everyone realises that when people die, there will usually be loved ones who are upset, that doesn’t need spelling out in an attempt to make people feel bad. I find that really odd. My uncle was loved, but to others, the RTA would have just been an inconvenience. People probably missed all sorts of things due to it and were probably disappointed which is ok.

Tartanboots · 11/08/2025 19:37

Feelings aren't reasonable or unreasonable really. You feel how you feel. People vary.
How I feel when I've been delayed by a tragedy depends on how much stress I'm under, what mood I'm in, and how much being late is going to affect me.

Bumblebee72 · 11/08/2025 19:31

It's not great but anyone who has been at a London Station when they announced that all trains are cancelled will know the collective groan of "the selfish bastard".

OnemargarIta · 11/08/2025 19:29

Allsummernights · 11/08/2025 19:27

I’m an awful person because my first feeling is always annoyed because I will be late or miss something.
I can remember being 4 hours late on the train to Edinburgh because someone died. I felt sorry for the train driver. I did receive a refund of my ticket. And most people on train were also pissed off. Because everyone was moaning.

I genuinely do think most people feel like that IRL too.

OP posts:
Allsummernights · 11/08/2025 19:27

I’m an awful person because my first feeling is always annoyed because I will be late or miss something.
I can remember being 4 hours late on the train to Edinburgh because someone died. I felt sorry for the train driver. I did receive a refund of my ticket. And most people on train were also pissed off. Because everyone was moaning.

Letmehaveabloodyusernameplease · 11/08/2025 19:25

ThatIsEnoughForOneDay · 11/08/2025 19:09

It is guilt tripping and it’s attention seeking behaviour. You are trying to make them feel bad. Why do you need other people to feel bad? Any care wouldn’t be real or have any depth anyway, their life won’t stop in the way that I’m sure yours did when you lost your BIL and mine did when I lost my uncle. Despite losing my uncle in an RTA, I still feel pissed when I get delayed due to an accident. We can’t be upset for everyone, we’d never cope with life.

I do agree and I'm sorry you've been through this too.
It was the posters laughing that were pissing me off which is why I thought I'd give some context, (not for sympathy, I actually find sympathetic gestures uncomfortable), my context was to show that whoever died on OP's route was a real person with family members.
Not just an inconvenience.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:22

AmateurDramatics · 11/08/2025 19:19

Exactly. OP is essentially asking on their post “is it weird that I have zero empathy for the situation?”

And the answer is “yes, of course it’s weird.”

Others are trying to point out why it’s weird and try and explain the empathy that they might feel in a similar position. I don’t think that’s virtue signalling or trying to compete on grief?

That’s because what you describe ISNT virtue signalling or competitive grief. Plenty of people have managed to give another perspective to the OP without resorting to these measures.
FWIW, in OP’s situation, I would feel both disappointed and bad for the people involved in the crash. I think that’s a fairly normal position to take.

But some people are being competitive over it and it’s bloody tiring.

CinnamonCinnabar · 11/08/2025 19:20

OnemargarIta · 11/08/2025 18:06

Fucking hell this one takes the win for the virtue signalling Olympics 😂

What an odd response - Pompeii is only there for you to visit because it was buried by a volcano, killing an estimated 16000 people in the region. I've nothing against it being a tourist attraction but don't pretend it's not a scene of mass fatalities.

There's about a 100 casts of dead people preserved by the pyroclastic flow.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:20

ThatIsEnoughForOneDay · 11/08/2025 19:09

It is guilt tripping and it’s attention seeking behaviour. You are trying to make them feel bad. Why do you need other people to feel bad? Any care wouldn’t be real or have any depth anyway, their life won’t stop in the way that I’m sure yours did when you lost your BIL and mine did when I lost my uncle. Despite losing my uncle in an RTA, I still feel pissed when I get delayed due to an accident. We can’t be upset for everyone, we’d never cope with life.

Spot on

AmateurDramatics · 11/08/2025 19:19

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 11/08/2025 19:08

Perfectly normal to feel disappointed yes. To feel nothing but disappointment in this situation is actually pretty horrible. In her position I would be disappointed, but I would mainly be sad for the people affected by the accident and very aware of how lucky I was that it wasn’t me. That’s not virtue signaling, it’s the truth. It’s called empathy, something the OP appears to lack.

Also, if the trip was that important to her she should have planned better. It was a ridiculous amount to try to fit into one day with all that travel. Any number of things could have gone wrong to ruin it.

Exactly. OP is essentially asking on their post “is it weird that I have zero empathy for the situation?”

And the answer is “yes, of course it’s weird.”

Others are trying to point out why it’s weird and try and explain the empathy that they might feel in a similar position. I don’t think that’s virtue signalling or trying to compete on grief?

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:18

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“BE KIND AND AGREE WITH ME OR I WILL SAY MEAN THINGS”

Hmmmm 🤔

Justchilling07 · 11/08/2025 19:17

Charltonstrek · 11/08/2025 18:54

You think my sense of humour is directed at the heart of this topic or the ops comeback think about it

I don’t need to think about.You’re laughing with op who has started this thread.I was interested at the start of thread, then it just took a turn, many of these comments have been deleted, so they can’t be cross referenced, op is denying, that there has been any talk of suicide.
l get it, l’m not saying everyone should feel sad, when someone they don’t know has died in RTA.I have some experience, with people, who have taken their own life or tried too, there’s no funny side to it, that’s where, l took issue in these comments and posters defending them, that’s where the thread took a nasty turn.
I realise this thread is not for me, it’s just pointless getting involved with arguments with people.
I do stand by what l’ve said though.

Letmehaveabloodyusernameplease · 11/08/2025 19:15

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WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:14

N3wUs3rNam3Again · 11/08/2025 19:04

Yes I have a family member like this, they make out to the whole world they're kind and caring , maybe they are to some people, but in my opinion to the wrong people, they're absolutely vile to family, she's actually a nasty abusive bitch.

A friend of mine has a SIL like this. Constantly posting on SM about how open minded and caring she is, supports all the ‘right’ causes. Is a twat and treats her little 5 year old daughter terribly.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:13

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 11/08/2025 19:08

Perfectly normal to feel disappointed yes. To feel nothing but disappointment in this situation is actually pretty horrible. In her position I would be disappointed, but I would mainly be sad for the people affected by the accident and very aware of how lucky I was that it wasn’t me. That’s not virtue signaling, it’s the truth. It’s called empathy, something the OP appears to lack.

Also, if the trip was that important to her she should have planned better. It was a ridiculous amount to try to fit into one day with all that travel. Any number of things could have gone wrong to ruin it.

But YOU aren’t virtue signalling here.

I feel like some people on this thread, if they were on OP’s coach, would have filmed themselves falling about wailing and then posted it on their socials to show everyone just how ‘empathetic’ they are.

There is a big difference between empathy and virtue signalling. In some ways they are polar opposites.

ThatIsEnoughForOneDay · 11/08/2025 19:12

Clementina49er · 11/08/2025 19:08

Here you go: a 55 year old woman who was a pillion passenger on a motorcycle driven by her husband died when she was flung off it in a collision with a car: the husband is in intensive care. If you can bear to look there is a photo of the bike!

https://www.nanotv.it/2025/08/11/torre-annunziata-scavi-grave-incidente-alluscita-dellautostrada-morta-una-donna/

Does that make you feel a bit less cheesed off?

Why would it? It’s more guilt tripping. OP can feel disappointed about her day without it making her a monster. This is sad for this persons loved ones, but not the rest of us.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/08/2025 19:10

Letmehaveabloodyusernameplease · 11/08/2025 19:01

It's not guilt tripping.
It's more a case of trying to wipe the smug smiles off the faces of the clever arseholes commenting on here.
To put it in raw context, if you like.
I'm not competing with anyone.
Just explaining how some people on here are seriously pissing me off.
And even after giving context someone felt they had to make a snarky comment.
Mumsnet really is full of twats.

“Be kind or I will call you an arsehole”

hmmmm 🤔