To think it is not that easy to 'get a better job'

Head. Wall. Bang

All i am getting form your posts is that someone should put up with a bully of a boss to have stuff on their CV.

I am telling you that NO BOSSES SHOULD BE BULLYING THEIR STAFF. And yet you seem to just over look that and think that people that cant cope with a toxic environment are making excuses etc.

I think you sound very privileged not to be able to understand what I am on about. It has not applied or happened to you.

ANd you made assumptions about how bad I was as an employee. I tried my best. But my boss bullied me and like I said he did get into trouble for it. So it was acknowledged.

Honestly @WeylandYutani
This is silly

I will say though that your approach on this thread has been quite telling

You need skills that will have you stand out from others

But you are talking to 'the others'. I mean, I don't find data analysis hard but if you can't see that above-average excludes the majority by definition, it isn't surprising that you're having difficulties.

OP's point about a pyramid/hierarchy is rock-solid. "Anyone can do it" is a blatant, demonstrable falsehood and a statistical absurdity.

You seem to think that a bullying boss is acceptable. Why?

Wow.
I bet you were actually my old boss.

So again, we can’t just disagree

Firstly I have to actually be your past bullying boss with G.M initials
then I have to be a bullying manager

It is like discussing the issue with a child

One could not have the gumption to stick with it because he was signed off sick for months after.

You seem to be making the excuse that bullying from a manager is normal and if someone can't cut it then they are making excuses.

Are you a bullying manager? Because I cant imagine anyone defending my old boss and yet here you are. Saying the people who tried to better themselves are failures for not sticking with a bully of a boss.

Sweet Jesus
I bet you were impossible to manage

But even now where min wage is not enough to live on I cant believe that someone would find bullying acceptable just so you can earn more.
Bullying can have a huge impact on your health. It is not acceptable EVER.

THis was back when you could live on min wage.

So they wanted to stay there because they’d worked there for years and liked the people so sucked up band 1 pay

many many many of us enjoy our jobs and colleagues but we still strive for promotion and willing to make moves to earn more!!

they weren’t prepared to make the sacrifice
Loads of us are for better money and prospects

next excuse…..

You telling me something
doesn’t make it “fact”

4 people were promoted
4 people dropped back down because of the manager
and not one had the gumption to stick at it so it remained on CV and meanwhile look for another cleaning job perhaps in same trust but different dept in the newly promoted band 2 that was now on their cv

nope… they just asked to take a backward step because “less hassle”

The cleaning and portering staff who went up a band had been there for years and loved their job and the people they worked with. They wanted to stay there. Is that hard to understand?

It is not about opinion. I am telling you that the people I worked with dropped back to a lower banding because of our manager. I am not sure how hard that is to understand. The small pay increase was not worth the stress and BULLYING.

NO ONE deserves to be bullied in the workplace. For a 50p increase in pay or £1k. I don't care. Managers should not be treating their staff like shit.

And so what if it was a cleaning job? Does that mean we are allowed to be treated like shit?

and again…. Straight to this. I meant it was a cleaning job so transferable

must be exhausting managing or indeed even working alongside people like this

So very predictable

Someone can’t just have a different opinion from you. Nope, they must somehow be connected to you or triggered or some such nonsense

really, it’s very telling

Are your initials GM? Because you sound like my old manager making excuses for him acting like a toxic bully. Why do you presume to know the circumstances better than I do? He had a disciplinary after the way he treated me. His awful behaviour came out during a disciplinary he was putting me through. He was that bad.

And so what if it was a cleaning job? Does that mean we are allowed to be treated like shit?

He bullied his staff. That is why no one wanted to be his lackey and directly accountable to him.

But yes. You make excuses for him.

With qualifications including data analysis, what skills do you have your CV? Have you learned PowerBI and similar, these are starting to be requested more and more. Once my currently qualification (2.5 years) finishes next month, my next plan is getting to grips with PowerBI. Whilst I don’t know how to use or build it yet, I know it could make a big impact to what I do

With AI ingraining itself more and more into complex tasks, admin roles are becoming significantly fewer. You need skills that will have you stand out from others

This was a cleaning job

She could have sucked up the hassle of being band 2 for a short while and then applied to a different company, with the band 2 promotion on her CV and gone in to a higher role there. She and the 4 others that all went up and then decided to jack it in and move down… could have pursued a complaint. There was 5 of them (6 with you)

now I’ll kick back and wait for the excuse

No, he was my manager too and I can tell you for sure that he was toxic and a bully.
I was off with mental health issues and he had told me that I had no reason to be depressed. He was in work and fine despite his dad just dying. His dad was in a care home and it was expected.
A close friend and colleague went up to supervisor and burnt out within weeks. Said it was our manager. He was a total bully and I have lots more examples of it but this is not the thread for it.
And it was not just one person who went up the band and dropped back again. I knew of 4 whilst I was there.

If someone is upskilling and trying their absolute best to be promoted for FIFTY YEARS without results, they're either dangerously incompetent, a genuine idiot or an absolute nightmare to work with.

Or, they're not actually trying that hard at all.

The workforce is full of people happy to make excuses for not getting anywhere in their career while people pass them by, but for every one of them, there are others willing to put the effort in or make the sacrifices necessary to make things happen.