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EuclidianGeometryFan · 10/08/2025 16:33

Seen a few threads lately about people with money issues, and on low wages or minimum wage.
Then some posters say things like 'why haven't you got a promotion in the last X years?' 'Why don't you re-train / upskill?' 'Why don't you get a better job?'

As if anyone stays in a minimum wage job for years just for the fun of it!

The job market is a pyramid - there is not enough room on the higher levels for everyone. Even as you age you can't automatically expect to climb the ladder and move up - the maths don't stack up. Not every field of work has a 'career ladder'.
Some people are stuck on minimum wage or not much more, for life. They may not have the ability or skills or aptitude to re-train or get promoted, let alone the time and energy.

It smacks of blaming the OP for not being ambitious enough. Some posters seem to have no conception of what life and the job market is like for minimum wage workers.

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Zoesherman · 16/08/2025 01:44

EuclidianGeometryFan · 10/08/2025 16:33

Seen a few threads lately about people with money issues, and on low wages or minimum wage.
Then some posters say things like 'why haven't you got a promotion in the last X years?' 'Why don't you re-train / upskill?' 'Why don't you get a better job?'

As if anyone stays in a minimum wage job for years just for the fun of it!

The job market is a pyramid - there is not enough room on the higher levels for everyone. Even as you age you can't automatically expect to climb the ladder and move up - the maths don't stack up. Not every field of work has a 'career ladder'.
Some people are stuck on minimum wage or not much more, for life. They may not have the ability or skills or aptitude to re-train or get promoted, let alone the time and energy.

It smacks of blaming the OP for not being ambitious enough. Some posters seem to have no conception of what life and the job market is like for minimum wage workers.

I hear you. Do not get me started! I think a good job depend on lots of criteria like area, job type, tick box programmes, what school you went to and who you know.

my eldest daughter is a “minority” on 4 fronts but she had not put that on job forms. Buy she said she will now as she thinks it will get her the job!

To be honest the best person should get the job but that don’t ever pan out that way 😡

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:42

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:34

I have meltdowns and shutdowns when I go out. So I have huge anxiety about going out as I dont want to experience them.
I do not work right now as it has been recognised that trying to work would make me ill. I have spent a lot of time in psychiatric wards.
Please stop with the whole autistic people can code thing. I can just about use a web browser and youtube and I feel good for that.

"just about"? You find it hard to use a web browser and YouTube?

What's your plan for the future then, given you don't work? I'm sorry you've experienced such mental health issues in the past but what's your plan for the rest of your life?

Do you want to work in the future?

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:36

Crushed23 · 16/08/2025 01:32

You can do it with a friend. There are usually several invigilators per exam. You don’t need to know anything about the subject matter of each exam - you literally hand out papers, collect papers, escort a student to go to the loo or refill their water bottle, that sort of thing. No qualifications needed whatsoever. You just have to be able to stay quiet for a couple of hours.

I have needed people assist me when I had exams. So how am I meant to help others?

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:34

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:24

What genuinely scares you so much about going outdoors? I know lots of people who have autism who go outside.

What do you do for work now then? Do you not have to go outside for it?

If not, do you work from a laptop at home? If so, many things you can do to up skill. Excel, python, powerBI. Lots of Data analysis software to learn. Online professional courses to take.

I have meltdowns and shutdowns when I go out. So I have huge anxiety about going out as I dont want to experience them.
I do not work right now as it has been recognised that trying to work would make me ill. I have spent a lot of time in psychiatric wards.
Please stop with the whole autistic people can code thing. I can just about use a web browser and youtube and I feel good for that.

Crushed23 · 16/08/2025 01:32

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:08

I struggle to leave my house. I need someone with me. I have B-C GCSEs and a pass at a GNVQ that is over 20 years old. How would I invigilate someone studying an exam way more above my own qualifications?

You can do it with a friend. There are usually several invigilators per exam. You don’t need to know anything about the subject matter of each exam - you literally hand out papers, collect papers, escort a student to go to the loo or refill their water bottle, that sort of thing. No qualifications needed whatsoever. You just have to be able to stay quiet for a couple of hours.

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:24

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:18

I have several mental health issues and am autistic.
The big world is not set up for people like me.

Why are you asking? I am not sure it is in good faith.

What genuinely scares you so much about going outdoors? I know lots of people who have autism who go outside.

What do you do for work now then? Do you not have to go outside for it?

If not, do you work from a laptop at home? If so, many things you can do to up skill. Excel, python, powerBI. Lots of Data analysis software to learn. Online professional courses to take.

beachwalkx · 16/08/2025 01:24

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:42

Why aren't these people capable of more then?

I was saying that if someone isn't capable of anything better then their wage would reflect their lack of marketable skills.

I’m capable, I just made some wrong choices with jobs and have ended up where I’m in a job, not a career
jobs I see around are paying maybe 28k at a push, all want experience in that job which I can’t get unless someone gives me a chance to gain that experience

i can’t afford to move and my commute is limited due to health conditions (I max out at 40hrs a week)

I got a scholarship to a private school on academic merit, I read at over 1000wpm, I have a degree, a levels… I’m still in a just above min wage job

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:18

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:15

Why do you find it hard to leave the house? Are you scared of the big world?

Or are you physically unwell and have medical issues?

I have several mental health issues and am autistic.
The big world is not set up for people like me.

Why are you asking? I am not sure it is in good faith.

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:18

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:08

I struggle to leave my house. I need someone with me. I have B-C GCSEs and a pass at a GNVQ that is over 20 years old. How would I invigilate someone studying an exam way more above my own qualifications?

You don't need to actually know the subject being invigilated. Just make sure the exam rules are being followed. Basically doing the admin stuff of the exam.

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 01:15

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:08

I struggle to leave my house. I need someone with me. I have B-C GCSEs and a pass at a GNVQ that is over 20 years old. How would I invigilate someone studying an exam way more above my own qualifications?

Why do you find it hard to leave the house? Are you scared of the big world?

Or are you physically unwell and have medical issues?

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:12

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:42

Why aren't these people capable of more then?

I was saying that if someone isn't capable of anything better then their wage would reflect their lack of marketable skills.

OMG are you not understanding how some people are not capable?
You are bordering on being abliest.

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 01:08

Crushed23 · 16/08/2025 00:52

I mean this as a completely serious suggestion @WeylandYutanibut have you considered becoming a university exam invigilator? I did this when I was younger to earn cash to go travelling and all you have to do is hand out exam papers, escort students to the toilets if they need them and collect exam papers at the end. That’s it. There is a lead invigilator who makes all announcements (time checks, reading out the rules of the exam) so you don’t have to worry about that. Most people I worked with were young people and retired folk. It’s exceptionally low pressure, although work is concentrated in December-January, and May-September. With so many students getting extra time / additional support with exams, a good chunk of the exams I invigilated, there was just one student (to 2x invigilators, per university rules).

As PP said, if you don’t struggle to go on MN, you really wouldn’t struggle with this job. Might be worth considering to bring a bit of extra cash in.

I struggle to leave my house. I need someone with me. I have B-C GCSEs and a pass at a GNVQ that is over 20 years old. How would I invigilate someone studying an exam way more above my own qualifications?

Crushed23 · 16/08/2025 00:52

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:56

That's why I said physically able in my previous message. At some point disabilities can't be constantly be used as an excuse. What's so "struggling" about work? You have time to go on Mumsnet. Why can't you learn to use excel?

I'm saying just work more. 40 hours. Slowly raise to 60 and then to 80. Use extra money to invest.

I mean this as a completely serious suggestion @WeylandYutanibut have you considered becoming a university exam invigilator? I did this when I was younger to earn cash to go travelling and all you have to do is hand out exam papers, escort students to the toilets if they need them and collect exam papers at the end. That’s it. There is a lead invigilator who makes all announcements (time checks, reading out the rules of the exam) so you don’t have to worry about that. Most people I worked with were young people and retired folk. It’s exceptionally low pressure, although work is concentrated in December-January, and May-September. With so many students getting extra time / additional support with exams, a good chunk of the exams I invigilated, there was just one student (to 2x invigilators, per university rules).

As PP said, if you don’t struggle to go on MN, you really wouldn’t struggle with this job. Might be worth considering to bring a bit of extra cash in.

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:42

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:28

No they dont.
YOu dont get benefits due to lack of skills.
You have no idea about the benefit system if you think this is the case

Why aren't these people capable of more then?

I was saying that if someone isn't capable of anything better then their wage would reflect their lack of marketable skills.

No3392 · 16/08/2025 00:35

I started my degree at 30, now doing a master's. Have 3 kids, one disabled. Now in specialist school as a high schooler. No support beyond this. I made it work, and it was difficult.

I ended up with a great job. Now I'm disabled with aceey severe condition and lucky that work are beings supportive.

I am an outlier, I am not blinded to think that others can do the same.

I have a certain mindset that others don't. And that okay. I am not a 'hard work will get you xyz'
I have coasted, and it's worked out. I am VERY lucky.

Not everyone else is the same. Some people really struggle, some who have less to deal with than I have. And I do not judge them.

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:28

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:26

They receive pay equivalent to their (lack of) skills.

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No they dont.
YOu dont get benefits due to lack of skills.
You have no idea about the benefit system if you think this is the case

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:26

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:14

What about people who are not capable of more?

They receive pay equivalent to their (lack of) skills.

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:14

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:12

Teens/students who want extra cash. People who've retired from their main career who want the odd thing to do here and there. Ex-SAHMs who want to bring some extra cash back to the family.

What about people who are not capable of more?

BluntIcePick · 16/08/2025 00:12

Talkingfrog · 16/08/2025 00:04

What if there aren't the jobs available. And who would then do the lower paid jobs- someone needs to.

Teens/students who want extra cash. People who've retired from their main career who want the odd thing to do here and there. Ex-SAHMs who want to bring some extra cash back to the family.

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:09

Talkingfrog · 16/08/2025 00:04

What if there aren't the jobs available. And who would then do the lower paid jobs- someone needs to.

Exactly. The lower paid jobs always need to be done and the people doing them deserve to have a life worth living too. Not working 80 hours a week and killing themselves in the process.

Talkingfrog · 16/08/2025 00:04

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:56

That's why I said physically able in my previous message. At some point disabilities can't be constantly be used as an excuse. What's so "struggling" about work? You have time to go on Mumsnet. Why can't you learn to use excel?

I'm saying just work more. 40 hours. Slowly raise to 60 and then to 80. Use extra money to invest.

What if there aren't the jobs available. And who would then do the lower paid jobs- someone needs to.

WeylandYutani · 16/08/2025 00:00

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:56

That's why I said physically able in my previous message. At some point disabilities can't be constantly be used as an excuse. What's so "struggling" about work? You have time to go on Mumsnet. Why can't you learn to use excel?

I'm saying just work more. 40 hours. Slowly raise to 60 and then to 80. Use extra money to invest.

60 and 80 hours are not healthy. You will have no work life balance at all.
ANd the only people who would have to do so many hours to live will be in jobs where it is their body their use and not their mind. They will be become ill and end up not able to work at all after a while.

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:56

WeylandYutani · 15/08/2025 23:46

Some people are not capable of more due to disabilities.
The pot washer in a restaurant might have learning disabilities as does the person collecting trollies in the supermarket car park.
I am disabled and struggle with work. Are you saying we should have to live in poverty because we cant do well paid jobs?
Yes the benefit system is there to help us but people on here moan about that too.

That's why I said physically able in my previous message. At some point disabilities can't be constantly be used as an excuse. What's so "struggling" about work? You have time to go on Mumsnet. Why can't you learn to use excel?

I'm saying just work more. 40 hours. Slowly raise to 60 and then to 80. Use extra money to invest.

WeylandYutani · 15/08/2025 23:46

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:44

No it shouldn't be. They aren't entitled to a single thing. If they aren't capable of anything better that's really on them. I've told my DC that this is what would happen if they didn't work hard at school.

If 40 hours isn't enough. Work more. Get another job. Do night shifts, do Uber/Uber eats. Don't increase your hours immediately. But do it slowly and gradually.

Some people are not capable of more due to disabilities.
The pot washer in a restaurant might have learning disabilities as does the person collecting trollies in the supermarket car park.
I am disabled and struggle with work. Are you saying we should have to live in poverty because we cant do well paid jobs?
Yes the benefit system is there to help us but people on here moan about that too.

BluntIcePick · 15/08/2025 23:44

WeylandYutani · 15/08/2025 23:37

You miss my point. 40 hours in min wage should be enough to live on. It wont be luxury but it should be enough to have a roof over your head and pay the bills and have healthy food and a social life and hobbies.
If someone is not capable of more than the menial min wage jobs then you are basically saying that they have to live in poverty and not have anything nice.
The people dong menial min wage jobs are vital.

No it shouldn't be. They aren't entitled to a single thing. If they aren't capable of anything better that's really on them. I've told my DC that this is what would happen if they didn't work hard at school.

If 40 hours isn't enough. Work more. Get another job. Do night shifts, do Uber/Uber eats. Don't increase your hours immediately. But do it slowly and gradually.