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To feel sad at how much worse life is for pedestrians than it was ten years ago

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Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 09:42

Cars (especially Ubers for some reason?!) no longer reliably stop

Consequences for drivers who hit a pedestrian are minor - you won't necessarily go to jail "the first time" you kill someone and you'll have your licence back within a decade (why not banned for life???)

Roadworks used to prioritise keeping a pedestrian walkway but now it's common for one side of the pavement just to be abruptly cut off, forcing a walk across the road through traffic

And don't even get me started on bicycles on the pavement, "shared spaces" (ie spaces for bullies to race at speed on their bikes while those on foot are expected to scatter). I was actually planning a holiday to Japan until a colleague told me how unsafe the pavements have become in the last few years because of this.

It's the world over as far as I can see (although if you live in an exception could you let me know so I can visit please??) and it just feels like a big part of the dehumanisation of public life and spaces :(

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Kurokurosuke · 10/08/2025 11:44

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 09:55

I am so sad about it but I just can't do it! It would be a really expensive exercise in massive stress.

Pavements in Japan are unchanged in 10 years. They have always hated pedestrians! But speed limits are waaay slower, so it doesn’t feel as treacherous (in my experience)

Trentdarkmore · 10/08/2025 11:12

It's all the animals that are killed by motor vehicles that upset me too.

NotTheHair · 10/08/2025 11:09

You can get away with loads as a motorist (and I say this as someone who is both a driver and a pedestrian). If a person wanted to harm people, doing it by car will probably get them the least sentence. Or marry them and claim it's domestic so a lesser sentence.

And agree re phone screens. I always see drivers holding a phone or looking down at one in their lap in slow- moving traffic.

Definitely worth having a dashcam.

PInkyStarfish · 10/08/2025 11:08

You want to come to Wales! Many of our roads don’t even have pavements! 😬

smallglassbottle · 10/08/2025 11:07

In spite of us having an aging population, I don't often see elderly people out and about much now. I think the outside world is forcing them to remain indoors.

PoisedWasp · 10/08/2025 11:06

The driving in my area of London is now so bad I dread leaving the house. Cars speed through red lights on a daily basis, I've seen cars driving on pavements multiple times, a neighbour of mine was knocked in to by a car while on the pavement, I've seen cars speed up at pedestrians on zebra crossings. Not to mention food delivery drivers on ebikes speeding along the pavement when there are plenty of empty cycle lanes.

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/08/2025 11:04

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:16

I would love if you'd do me a favour and not cycle then... It's not "too anxious" to find it totally unenjoyable to be somewhere bikes race by at speed without warning or distance.

Japanese people are extremely courteous, including cyclists.

TooBored1 · 10/08/2025 11:03

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 09:59

Floating bus stops are a menace. And massive cycle paths that weave across pavements.

It's really not good enough is it? Planners really really need to be more thoughtful of all users - and make spaces that are safe for pedestrian, wheelchair, and cycle alike.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 10/08/2025 10:59

IntoTheFringe · 10/08/2025 10:37

Why are you so stressed about not hitting them? Just use your eyes and don't drive into them. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Because there are loads where i am, often with their babies on the bike, and i'm driving a heavy metal vehicle 🤷‍♀️

I'm a human who cares about others, what can I say

MyDeftHedgehog · 10/08/2025 10:52

Absolutely shocking. Stopping at red lights seems to have become optional. Many times I see 3 cars go through on full red. I haven't witnessed an accident yet, unbelievably.
I refuse to drive on motorways now, it's pot luck whether you actually get out alive these days

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:38

Ariela · 10/08/2025 10:35

Half the reason it is 'worse' is that 2/3 the pedestrians are on their phone and NOT watching where they are going. If you go for a walk, and keep your eyes and ears open then you'll see a lot of hazards before they get to you.
(and same for the 1/3 car drivers distracted by screens - I was counting them on the M25 last night)

No, it's definitely not. Pedestrians will not cause brain damage or broken bones if they collide with anyone else. Many pedestrians are blind or deaf or unable to move quickly.

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IntoTheFringe · 10/08/2025 10:37

youreactinglikeafunmum · 10/08/2025 10:29

Yes, my everyday experience is the stress of not hitting a helmetless cyclist distracting from other aspects of driving

Its just dangerous for everyone 🥺🥺

Sometimes you even see parents cycling with their babies strapped to the bike

Why are you so stressed about not hitting them? Just use your eyes and don't drive into them. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Wheech · 10/08/2025 10:37

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:14

NOBODY seems to know about the pedestrian right of way on a turn it's maddening.

Agreed. It's such a regular occurrence for cars to unexpectedly swing off the main road into a side street when someone is crossing. No indicator just a blaring horn because they are annoyed at having to slow down. It would be helpful to have stripes painted at junctions.

Ariela · 10/08/2025 10:35

Half the reason it is 'worse' is that 2/3 the pedestrians are on their phone and NOT watching where they are going. If you go for a walk, and keep your eyes and ears open then you'll see a lot of hazards before they get to you.
(and same for the 1/3 car drivers distracted by screens - I was counting them on the M25 last night)

MemorableTrenchcoat · 10/08/2025 10:35

youreactinglikeafunmum · 10/08/2025 10:29

Yes, my everyday experience is the stress of not hitting a helmetless cyclist distracting from other aspects of driving

Its just dangerous for everyone 🥺🥺

Sometimes you even see parents cycling with their babies strapped to the bike

Cyclists are legitimate road users, as are horses, large, slow-moving vehicles etc. You should not be getting stressed by trying not to hit them.

Kago2790 · 10/08/2025 10:30

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:14

NOBODY seems to know about the pedestrian right of way on a turn it's maddening.

Indeed. Trouble is pedestrians know that many drivers don't know about it so the pedestrians, valuing their life, still wait. This reinforces the pattern and nothing changes.

youreactinglikeafunmum · 10/08/2025 10:29

MemorableTrenchcoat · 10/08/2025 10:16

You think cyclists are causing all the harm? The statistics would suggest that’s very much not the case.

Yes, my everyday experience is the stress of not hitting a helmetless cyclist distracting from other aspects of driving

Its just dangerous for everyone 🥺🥺

Sometimes you even see parents cycling with their babies strapped to the bike

MemorableTrenchcoat · 10/08/2025 10:20

Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:07

Cyclists are what scare me most day to day so I'm not going to pretend it's just a car problem. Urban planning has hugely increased the problem by removing protected spaces from pedestrians in crap attempts to seem cycle friendly.

Motor vehicles seriously injure, on average, 15 people per day in the UK. For bicycles, the figure is around 2 per week. Your perception of risk is rather skewed.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 10/08/2025 10:16

youreactinglikeafunmum · 10/08/2025 09:55

I think that cyclists are the ones causing all of the stress and harm to everyone

I do my best to be cautious of them, looking in my left mirror constantly, constantly on edge

Pedestrians are an after thought tbh, which is dangerous 😳

Driving is just stressful in london

You think cyclists are causing all the harm? The statistics would suggest that’s very much not the case.

To feel sad at how much worse life is for pedestrians than it was ten years ago
Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:16

Ddakji · 10/08/2025 10:10

To be honest, you sound over-anxious about this if you’re allowing a comment about cyclists in Japan to stop you from going to country you clearly want to visit and is known for being a well-ordered and well-behaved society.

I’m in London and am a pedestrian, public transport user, driver and occasional cyclist. Being a pedestrian is far and away the least stressful of all of those.

I would love if you'd do me a favour and not cycle then... It's not "too anxious" to find it totally unenjoyable to be somewhere bikes race by at speed without warning or distance.

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Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:14

ViciousCurrentBun · 10/08/2025 10:10

It’s the motorised scooters here with little twats in balaclavas that I can’t stand, much worse than cyclists.

Yeah why tf do the police just ignore them!

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Fragmentedbrain · 10/08/2025 10:14

garlictwist · 10/08/2025 10:13

I walk to work along a busy main road with lots of side streets. I fear for my life every time I cross a side street as cars will swing in from nowhere as I've already started crossing and blare their horn at me (I have checked for cars before stepping out and, technically, it's the road crosser's right of way). I hate it. Everyone is so impatient.

NOBODY seems to know about the pedestrian right of way on a turn it's maddening.

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garlictwist · 10/08/2025 10:13

I walk to work along a busy main road with lots of side streets. I fear for my life every time I cross a side street as cars will swing in from nowhere as I've already started crossing and blare their horn at me (I have checked for cars before stepping out and, technically, it's the road crosser's right of way). I hate it. Everyone is so impatient.

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/08/2025 10:12

squashyhat · 10/08/2025 10:08

I don't know where your friend got their info from but Japan is safe for everyone, especially if you are on foot. Drivers are clinically cautious and obey all crossing and other road signs. As long as you do too you will be fine.

Indeed. I felt safer during our visits to Japan than I do in much of the UK. Again, OP, please don’t be put off going.

Ddakji · 10/08/2025 10:10

To be honest, you sound over-anxious about this if you’re allowing a comment about cyclists in Japan to stop you from going to country you clearly want to visit and is known for being a well-ordered and well-behaved society.

I’m in London and am a pedestrian, public transport user, driver and occasional cyclist. Being a pedestrian is far and away the least stressful of all of those.

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