social media is convincing all our kids they are nd?

There's a rational discussion to be had about overdiagnosis, and about pathologising difference. If you are interested in that, great. Your posts on this thread, however, suggest you are more interested in stigmatising ADHD, spreading misinformation, and high handedly dismissing the experiences of people whose experiences don't fit tired stereotypes of what it means to have ADHD. Maybe you need to genuinely reflect on why you present as being so angry about women getting help for something that they have struggled with? Internalized misogyny is powerful and pervasive, we are all at risk of succumbing to it.

Adderall is illegal in the UK.

Sorry to disappoint you, I don't read it.

Adderall is speed or amphetamine...it's combined w/ dextroamphetamine.

methylphenidate is in Ritlin

But it's far safer to get a prescription than go off the dark web, yes?

this is such dangerous, poor minded bullshit, and i pity the kids in any school that take this view.

I have an ADHD diagnosis, but its because i was finally correctly diagnosed after a life time of being told i have obsessive personality disorders, clinical stress, Generalised anxiety disorder... and whatever other WRONG shit the Dr's wanted to tell me i had going on.

My kids both have AuDHD, the oldest is severely impacted by it, i had NO CHOICE but to get him a diagnosis because he needed the legal protection of being formally diagnosed with a disability to get into the only special school in the area that he would be able to handle.

I had the 'time and money' because he was so impacted i had to give up my job, and ended up claiming DLA/Carers allowance... and money? what money, doesn't cost anything to get a diagnosis on the NHS when they're genuinely disabled by ADHD and Autism.

A lot of people can relate to a few symptoms but for people with these disabilities it is completely all encompassing and can leave their lives an utter shit show.

Yes, this is key. I suspect that every person on this planet can relate to some symptoms of autism and ADHD, but to meet the criteria, it has to have a severe impact on your day to day life to the point of it being disabling somehow.

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This thread is in very bad taste and ableist. ADHD is a disability I can’t imagine someone coming on here and making these comments about any other disability other than ADHD or ASD. People seeking diagnoses for ADHD are on waitlists for years on end, it’s not just something someone decides to do on a whim. The reason why so many women and minorities are now realising they are ND is because until very recently all research was done on white male middle class boys and it was actually thought that women could not have ADHD or autism.

Social media bringing awareness to symptoms can be a lifeline to many who have been struggling with one of these conditions for their entire lives.

A lot of people can relate to a few symptoms but for people with these disabilities it is completely all encompassing and can leave their lives an utter shit show. But as until very recently not of this information has been mainstream many people have not realised the reason behind so many of their troubles.

This kind of thread is constantly popping up and it is so damaging, belittling and ableist.

I can believe there's a market, especially in America, for some types of stimulant medication.

Again, speed is not entirely what it is. I've taken speed and I doubt that is quite the same experience as methylphenidate ( the ADHD medication I believe you're thinking of).

Are you aware of the reality regards accessing an assessment and prescribed meds? It would be easier to buy something off the dark web or go score speed on the street. It would cost less in this climate.

You aren't truly informed regarding the reality so it's important to correct these assumptions and misinformation.

I wonder who the author of that research is.

What's DM?

It's really important to debate and I don't like voices being shut down.

It helps to be very clear and informed though. For example, you say anti diagnosis. That makes no sense. I think it's good to highlight potential charlatans. I bet there will be some and I wonder how many could pop up with the huge growth in ND population.

Let's debate using facts and be precise though.

For example, I have observed an Autism assessment which followed the guidance to the letter set out by the regulatory body. If we are to debate this, I want to know that the ' anti diagnosis ' people at least understand the best practice framework I'm talking about and the name of the assessment framework and the statistics and reality regards accessing medication, assesment and so on? .

No way was I claiming that valium was prescribed for ADHD. But like valium, speed has been prescribed for women in ways that may or may not treat actual conditions.

No where did I say that ADHD does not exist. I'm arguing that it's over diagnosed and likewise could benefit from a narrowing of focus.

Similarly, one of the leading researchers for autism says the same thing: Dr. Allen Frances is a psychiatrist who led the American Psychiatric Association’s task force charged with creating the fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Thank you

I am glad I see more and more of these threads and the people who are anti-diagnosis more accepted. I have seen people here vilified for holding this view

@Delphinium20 mothers little helper was the term for valium aka diazapam. I've accessed this a number of times when I needed a little ' help'. I'm not ND.

It's not the medication for ADHD. Maybe people you know truly do have ADHD. I know not one person in my sphere ever to say they felt ND and I did not agree.

You sound like a DM reader and very misinformed.

Of course people take thir meds at times that give the most benefit. What's problematic about that? Bizarre "point".

The existence of unethical practitioners doesn't make a condition not exist. People incorrectly (or correctly) self diagnosing doesn't make a condition not exist.

SAY IT AGAIN.

The NHS is offloading at a dramatic rate.

People can't access an assessment, let alone medication. People are absolutely desperate and forced to try access private prescriptions at great cost. These are people who struggle immensely with the Executive Functioning deficit ADHD brings about. I know many such people. They are not drug seekers.

The private market certainly is profiting where the NHS is offloading so vociferously. They're doing it to children/ teens who might stand a chance in school with access to an assessment and medication.

It's really sad tbh. I will guarantee the majority of kids not in education right now will be this ND population; many undiagnosed.

There are lots of conditions rhat are diagnosed based on patient presentation. Are you also a Schizophrenia sceptic?

There are lots of medications where pretreatment brain chemistry is not checked. Are you opposed to anticonvulsants?

The existence of unethical practitioners doesn't make a condition not exist.

People incorrectly (or correctly) self diagnosing doesn't make a condition not exist.

Re one of your earlier posts, the release profile of lisdexamphetamine means that it is not liable to being addictive.

The UK system for diagnosis is nothing like the US one, so I think you're coming at this from a very different angle to most other posters here.

Because mid-50s can be a struggle going through peri and menopause and if you can figure out how to show some ADHD traits (so easy to find examples) one can get the 21st century version of Mother's Little Helper.

My bff did this. I know SO MANY women my age (live in upper middle class neighborhoods, so for the UK, I think you call that middle class?) who suddenly are ADHD and happily time their meds before the work day and before big days w/ loads planned. It's also easy in the US to get diagnosis if you can pay for the meds.

only in this country, unfortunately. And the USA perhaps. Continentals are taking pride in being independent as much as possible

I don't believe most people genuinely think they're ND with serious conviction unless they really are.

Exactly. NT people do not spend hours googling autism or ADHD to justify their actions. They don't sit on NHS waiting lists for months or pay thousands for a private diagnosis unless they're pretty fucking certain. Why on earth would they?

It is shit being ND. It impacts every part of your life.