social media is convincing all our kids they are nd?

That's interesting i think mu nephew was diagnosed with it as a young child he's 23 now.

What has that got to do with autism or adhd?

I think some people on this thread would be interested in the story of Irlen syndrome

A company in the USA invented this syndrome which was a form of "neurodiversity" that meant you had different perceptions of colours.

Before being exposed as a fraud, literally millions of people worldwide were diagnosed - using tests bought from the company, specialists trained by the company and needing coloured filters and glasses sold for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ by the company.

10 years after it was entirely debunked, I still come across the occasional late teenage students diagnosed in infant school and still under the delusion that it exists and they have it

So the NHS and Great Ormond street are making it up

https://www.gosh.nhs.uk/medical-information-0/auditory-processing-disorder/

This and less than half choose not to have medication. I chose not to opting for therapy instead which works on using other methods and actually I was told older women like me often choose not to. I’m not in education and my career has been well and truly destroyed by adhd. I earn well under what I should but meds aren’t for the faint hearted for all sorts of reasons.

Exactly like everybody.... I'm dyslexic. My brain prioritises information coming in through my ears as it is more reliable than information coming in through my eyes - exactly the same as normal brain would. My friend is partially sighted, ditto. Neither of us can read if there is any background noise at all.

Your brain chooses what information source to prioritise, some will be one, some will be another, some will vary according to situation

That is all this means - it is a made up nonsense.

Totally untrue.

Have you seen the definition of ND being used here, it includes "learning difficulties" for a start. ie, lowest IQ 10% of the population - ADHD - estimated at 7-10% in the general population, add that on. People with head injuries, people with trauma, people with behaviour problems - well that is sort of 100% of the prison population by definition, isn't it!

Your numbers are meaningless, the ignorance about the prison population on MN is shocking

Get yourself into a prison, Find a volunteer position there - that is how to combat this ignorance- come on in and meet these people.

overwhelmingly the biggest factors in ending up in prison are depravation and neglect- of course these cause behaviour problems, and of course these problems can be classed as being "ND" - anything in the world can be classed as being ND!

Elsewhere on SM and on MN it is classed as being "feral"

That's interesting, thanks for posting

Exactly. I have autism and so do all my children. Their care needs are very different and all have something different. None would qualify for respite care but 2 have significantly high support that differs hugely.

All care and support is based on need not diagnosis.

ADHD stimulants bring dopamine up to more ‘normal’ levels. They do give you a high unless you actually don’t have ADHD.

Not at all like everybody , educate yourself better.

This!
I wish TikTok had been around earlier. My daughter ended up trying to take her own life and sinking into anorexia( which is linked to autism) before she got diagnosed with her autism and adhd. She was always in trouble at primary school for lack of focus, day dreaming and being unable to sit still and roaming round the classroom. She hid the anxiety and depression that came with both.If she’d been a boy and presented with aggression, open deviance etc she’d have been picked up a lot earlier. I had to fight for her significant dyspraxia to be recognised and my concerns re all the above were ignored, she just got yelled at during PE instead. All of this is so common with girls and isn’t ok.

Better awareness would have got my duagnosed diagnosed sooner and a descent into mental illness avoided. So glad young people are better informed now.

exactly like everybody to some extent.... If you are NOT distracted by background noise that is called "hyperfocus" and is a sign of being ND.........

Given "ND" is in itself a totally invented social media word.......

I’m autistic and was diagnosed earlier this year at 36.

One of the reasons I was “missed” for so long is because autism runs in my family so nobody realised it was autism because they all behaved the same way as me and thought it was normal…

It took multiple GP visits, burnouts, and medications before I got “lucky” and my current GP realised I wasn’t actually depressed and was just suffering with repeated autistic burnout.

Nobody who is mentally healthy would ever want to be autistic. It impacts my life every single day and is hugely, hugely limiting.

I think it's probably the opposite my son was diagnosed at three becsuse it was very clear he wss autistic we slso have had lots of services involved becsuse of his complex needs and now ,get a package of respite care ( although it's taken years) which just wouldn't be available unfortunately to those with less complex needs.

Oh come on you knew exactly what you were doing were doing. And you apparantly were sitting close enough next to a young person that you could hear in detail every video on their phone. On a crowded bus that would be impossible without earphones which young people all wear.

You need to educate yourself better. ND is hugely over represented in prison for women and men with over half suspected to have a ND as opposed to 15% of the population. ADHD numbers alone are 25% in prison which is well over the 3% in schools. IF you are teaching in prisons you should know that.

My friend told me she has auditory processing disorder. Symptom = distracted by background noise. So, just like the vast majority of us

I worry that people who really need assessment, support and understanding don't get it cos too many people joining queue

I think, in many cases, it's not being done deliberately. I think life is hard for a lot of people (even well-off people!). I think it's a scary time to be alive, with war, global warming, unrest etc, the cost of living crisis. There is a constant news cycle to remind you of all the things out of your control that are going on and 24/7 social media to tell you how you don't measure up. I think a huge number of people are feeling out of control and registering it as a "me" problem. I.e., everyone else is coping, there must be something wrong with me that I'm not able to.

Humans by their nature are always looking for some bigger meaning or reason to things, it's why we invented religion, and why so many cults manage to survive. I think the "diagnosis crisis" is more of the same, it's easier than accepting everything is shit and there's nothing you can do about it.

I was about to write that I can't believe there are so many people perpetuating myths surrounding ND but I actually can. The likes of the daily fail are full of it each and every day!

Think you're autistic? Take this test. Next headline ' Government overspend on PIP benefits due to the increase in ASD diagnosis'!

The scandal of autistic people given top of the range cars on PIP!

You get the jist..........

Getting back to the OP of social media fuelling self diagnosis, yes it's a problem. A huge one. And calling yourself 'neurospicy' or any other self diagnosed label is also a problem. It's become a trend and it needs to stop.

N.B. I am the parent of a (diagnosed) autistic young person who struggles through life. I cannot work due to his needs and severe mental health issues and it puts a huge strain on our family.

Government figures.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/greater-support-for-neurodivergent-offenders-in-bid-to-cut-crime

It is most certainly not true that the majority of prisoners are "neurodiverse".

It is true that you can google to find evidence that the majority of prisoners are something, anything, anything at all

You can google to prove the majority of prisoners are dyslexic, you can google to prove the majority or prisoners are victims of child abuse, you can google to prove the majority of prisoners are convicted because of cannabis, or you can google to prove the majority of prisoners are psychopaths.

What is true is that the majority of prisoners are disadvantaged in some way, but it is absolutely not true at all that the majority are neurodiverse.

I teach in prison, and and levels of ADHD are lower in a prison classroom than in a comprehensive classroom, largely because prisoners are older, and many of the behaviours and symptoms associated with ADHD disappear with age.

If someone with ASD chooses to break the law they go to prison same as anyone else - you might say they are more likely to choose to, but it is still a choice.

I would say I see a lot of injustice in prison, in that neglected children not taught right from wrong, children not encouraged to do well in school, children from families where parents are abusing alcohol and drugs, many many of our young people are born into situations where prison is a far more likely outcome for them from the day they enter the world.

"neurodiversity" is not a factor in that in itself, beyond the fact that the word can and is stretched to cover behaviour problems linked to trauma and neglect