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Labour reviewing school admission criteria

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JustAlice · 09/08/2025 10:16

"Sir Keir Starmer plans to update the Equality Act to give public authorities a new duty to consider a person’s “socio-economic background”.
The changes could mean that schools are forced to give pupils from a working-class background priority when applying for school places, according to Conservative research, instead of judging applications based on how far away from a school someone lives."

Last year BBC had articles on how Brighton and Hove Labour council implemented similar policy, and now substancial % of school places goes to children on FSM instead of childre living closer to the school, making average % of FSM in them closer to the council average.
Protests didn't lead to anything.

If Starmer is going to rollout this model for the whole country, I'm torn, because though I'm against class division and think that current model encourages it

  1. I strongly disagree that the families on less than minimal wage income are the only working people in the country. Maybe call them deprived to be honest.
  2. In Brighton, faith schools are still not impacted.

YABU - we should be happy about this
YANBU - not a good idea

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Pinkelephantridesagain · 09/08/2025 12:37

What a fab job he is doing
Getting us all arguing amongst ourselves
And taking the spotlight of the only real issue he is not tackling
Labour will never get elected again
If they don't remove the cancer at the front

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/08/2025 12:37

HappilyUrbanTrimmer · 09/08/2025 11:07

The right-wing press is full of wild speculation about what "could" be the impact of proposed changes, trying to whip up a fury of opposition against a straw-man.

The proposals will not stop childen in leafy suburbs from going to leafy-suburb schools. They will require LEAs to carefully direct their publicity budget to ensure that more disadvantaged children don't miss out on places they might already be entitled to due to their parents/carers not being as well-informed as the sharp-elbowed middle classes.

The obligation will be to ensure equality of opportunity. There is no proposal to remove any rights from comfortably privileged families. The nice schools will not fill up with loads of nasty poor people. Schools which are located in areas where poor people cannot afford to live may be required to reserve a number of places equal to or close to the LEA average for pupils receiving pupil premium. You need a lot of cognitive dissonance in your head to object to that and not acknowledge that what you are saying is "we want there to be taxpayer-funded state schools that only wealthy families are allowed to use, poor children can go to schools that are just for poor children" - if you actually believe that your children need to only attend schools with other wealthy children then you need to use private education, not state education.

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I don’t understand the second paragraph. What would it mean in real terms? That LAs leaflet houses saying what the catchments are for the next year?

I’m not saying you’re wrong at all. I just can’t see what the gap is that’s being filled by this information. Surely all parents know where the local schools are.

And would this be additional to the reserved places you mention? Presumably so. In which case surely there must be at least some displacement of children to schools further away or that are lower choices.

Fi642 · 09/08/2025 12:36

I agree in principle but wonder how it’d work. There’s always a loophole to be exploited too. Would women finishing work to have a lower income be one? I hope not.

My concern would be that by adding to the logistical nightmare of juggling work and the school run, many parents - and let’s face it many mothers - might decide that actually it’s best they take longer off work while they have a young family.

I’m on a second maternity leave currently and we are doing the impossible maths for wraparound care/a childminder and wondering how to do drop offs and pick ups while juggling work when we both have jobs (careers we trained for and therefore are reluctant to leave) where we can’t WFH at all. So we have to factor in getting to and home from work too. Our families are abroad, like many Londoners’, so no help there. When discussing how it’s all going to work, it is tempting to just stay off work until they’re older, even if they go to a nearby school - let alone one we have to travel to.

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:34

There are ambitious children from lower income families is that so hard to believe.

It isn't hard to believe at all. But the key factor in that child's success isn't getting them into the best school, it's the support the parents provide. We live in one of the 11+ areas, yes some do chose to tutor but there are some who get through by self tutoring - getting the books and practice papers from the library, and sitting down with their child every night doing half an hour on these.

I had very supportive parents but went to a terrible secondary (pupils achieving 5 A-C at GCSE was under 30%, they tried to close it down at least twice whilst I was there) and came out with 9 A/A* at GCSE, 4 A's at A level, the teaching and behaviour was terrible and I taught myself most of the curriculum from study guides.

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:34

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 12:29

Great idea. Level across the classes. Stop the rich middle from hogging grammar school places, and other better state school catchment areas.

I found this, there’s a paragraph a way down, from a Labour Party spokes person .

‘A government spokesman said: “This Government is committed to breaking down barriers to opportunity through our Plan for Change by providing a good school place for every child, regardless of their background.

“We are determined to make sure there is no class ceiling on the ambitions of people in Britain. That’s why we launched a consultation on the socio-economic duty. No final decisions have been made, but positive discrimination will remain illegal under the Equality Act.

“All mainstream state-funded schools are required to comply with the School Admissions Code to ensure all children have fair access to a mainstream school place where they can achieve and thrive.” ‘

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/08/middle-class-children-shut-out-best-schools-equality-drive/

That’s totally contradictory? If you have to make the effort to implement a system where the aim is to get some children into the better schools why would you then say ‘providing a good school place for every child, regardless of their background’

If all schools were good you wouldn’t need to shuffle children to different areas .. so make all schools good!

noblegiraffe · 09/08/2025 12:34

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:25

Schools already do allocate based on their local area, as places are allocated by distance from the school. They do not have access to information on parents income when allocating spaces.

What this policy is suggesting is aligning with a national average, not a local one.

There isn't a policy.

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 12:29

Great idea. Level across the classes. Stop the rich middle from hogging grammar school places, and other better state school catchment areas.

I found this, there’s a paragraph a way down, from a Labour Party spokes person .

‘A government spokesman said: “This Government is committed to breaking down barriers to opportunity through our Plan for Change by providing a good school place for every child, regardless of their background.

“We are determined to make sure there is no class ceiling on the ambitions of people in Britain. That’s why we launched a consultation on the socio-economic duty. No final decisions have been made, but positive discrimination will remain illegal under the Equality Act.

“All mainstream state-funded schools are required to comply with the School Admissions Code to ensure all children have fair access to a mainstream school place where they can achieve and thrive.” ‘

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/08/middle-class-children-shut-out-best-schools-equality-drive/

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:25

Combinatorix · 09/08/2025 12:00

Schools need to be accountable for admissions statistics - eg if your local area has 25% of pupils eligible for fsm and your school has 5% then you need to be answerable for that and downgraded if appropriate

Schools already do allocate based on their local area, as places are allocated by distance from the school. They do not have access to information on parents income when allocating spaces.

What this policy is suggesting is aligning with a national average, not a local one.

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:24

80smonster · 09/08/2025 12:20

Absolutely, but that would involve levelling up education, not levelling down. The former is complicated and expensive, the latter not so much. Keir Starmer knows precisely what he’s doing, the man is an absolute weasel.

It’s just so thoroughly disappointing. How can he be so out of touch and want to cut corners like this ? He had a real opportunity to improve things in general and he’s continually making these mistakes ?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 12:24

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:19

How would that work? Who would cover the costs of those schools, that are currently covered by the parents of those attending?

Not to mention the legal quagmire of ownership
Labour thought they could do this before they were elected and quickly backtracked when they realised they can’t.
Been there, fell at the first hurdle

frozendaisy · 09/08/2025 12:24

Why should a child’s chances be thwarted because their parents are of a lower social economic background?

There are ambitious children from lower income families is that so hard to believe.

Grammar schools used to fill this gap, but the few remaining most children are tutored through the 11+ now.

Perhaps also introducing a test that couldn’t be tutored, allowing areas to have one school that does take the truly exceptional students regardless of household, but it’s finding a way to test that within a level playing field.

As with all systems there will be some winners and some losers. And perhaps if children were more spread out with the influence of engaged parents across more schools standards would rise across the board.

There are falling roll numbers anyway, so in theory it should be easier to get your child into your choice of school.

HostaCentral · 09/08/2025 12:22

How does everyone feel about the socially deprived getting priority for NHS treatment as well?

noblegiraffe · 09/08/2025 12:21

OP have you got anything that backs up your thread title?

80smonster · 09/08/2025 12:20

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:05

the emphasis shouldn’t be on which children get to go to the better school it should be on why are some schools failing ? Get all schools to a certain standard, improve education for all regardless of background or location. Cast the net wide to make sure every school is a good option rather than having this situation where you have to pick and choose who gets the better opportunity and education?

Absolutely, but that would involve levelling up education, not levelling down. The former is complicated and expensive, the latter not so much. Keir Starmer knows precisely what he’s doing, the man is an absolute weasel.

HostaCentral · 09/08/2025 12:19

Bloody stupid idea. So locally that would mean all the kids from the deprived end of town travelling across town to the better school, and all the kids from the wealthy part of town travelling the other way to the worst schools. When both cohorts have schools on their doorsteps. Neither is walkable or cyclable from across town, the commute would be into town, change buses, and another bus to other end of town.

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:19

Lifelover16 · 09/08/2025 12:04

If we are levelling things up, the fee paying/public schools should be incorporated into the state system and included too.

How would that work? Who would cover the costs of those schools, that are currently covered by the parents of those attending?

noblegiraffe · 09/08/2025 12:19

"Sir Keir Starmer plans to update the Equality Act to give public authorities a new duty to consider a person’s “socio-economic background”.
The changes could mean that schools are forced to give pupils from a working-class background priority when applying for school places, according to Conservative research"

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they? Are there any suggestions from Labour that they intend to amend the schools admissions process?

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:18

Fortune14 · 09/08/2025 12:15

Surely a better policy would be to actually invest in poorly performing schools and bring them up to scratch!
Are people really going to want to have to get 2 buses/a bus and a train to & from school every morning if its miles away? It’s not really a practical workable plan.

Yes it will be impossible for some parents to juggle this and exhausting for the children ?

Next thing KS will probably says he’s going to start school sleepover clubs as well as breakfast clubs (and expect schools to fund that themselves too!) 🤦

Vivienne1000 · 09/08/2025 12:18

Serencwtch · 09/08/2025 10:21

That's a really good idea & will help to keep access to good schools open to children from a wider range of backgrounds & not just the kids of parents who can afford to buy into the best catchment.

Or reduce diversity and lose all the best teachers….

Fortune14 · 09/08/2025 12:15

Surely a better policy would be to actually invest in poorly performing schools and bring them up to scratch!
Are people really going to want to have to get 2 buses/a bus and a train to & from school every morning if its miles away? It’s not really a practical workable plan.

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 12:15

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 11:56

Reviewing and potential changing of the admissions criteria to try and supposedly improve outcomes for certain groups is like scraping the frosting off a mouldy cake and just redoing it. They need to look at the root cause of the issues. Improve all schools get them all up to certain standard rather than shuffling round who goes to the better ones, it’s should not be acceptable for any child from any background to go to a failing or poor quality school.

Exactly. This policy is a typical labour race to the bottom approach.

Schools with a high number of FSM already get significant extra funding (pupil premium) to try to balance the gap. Which is doesn't, as parental support and expectation is the single biggest influence of educational outcomes. A bright child with supportive ambitious parents will do well in any school.

We also have a child mental health and obesity crisis, and should be supporting children walking to school, and development and integration into local communities is crucial for families, the 'it takes a village to raise a child' concept. My daughter used to attend an 'outstanding' school in London, we moved to a village with a 'good' rated primary - her mental health is so much better as her friends now live within a 10 minute max walk from our house and there is a sense of commuinity and support, and her educational acheivement has improved as she is happier.If children are forced to attend schools further from their home it's worse for their social needs, worse for their physical health, worse for the environment with more driving, worse for the local commuinity with traffic, parking issues, harder for working families to juggle drop offs and pick ups.
It won't affect me as both mine are already in school, but on principle I think this policy is a terrible idea.

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:14

Also if there is genuine concern over pupils getting FSM they could look at alternative options such as increasing pupil premium or adding more enrichment activities in all schools for those on FSM instead they are looking at doing something which will not actually help outcomes and will land local
authorities with big bills for transport .

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 12:14

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:09

So this could generate huge costs to meet transport needs and that money could have been better spent on improving all schools !

Exactly
and many councils are struggling to pay for the transport as it is.
Here’s Kent’s bill
and this doesn’t even include the free bus passes that the majority of eligible kids use

Labour reviewing school admission criteria
DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 12:11

realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 12:05

the emphasis shouldn’t be on which children get to go to the better school it should be on why are some schools failing ? Get all schools to a certain standard, improve education for all regardless of background or location. Cast the net wide to make sure every school is a good option rather than having this situation where you have to pick and choose who gets the better opportunity and education?

Exactly

Labour seem to be accepting some schools are just crap. In fact this very policy is an admission of that.

They seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 12:10

CruCru · 09/08/2025 11:49

I grew up in Brighton. Part of the reason this was so unpopular was the geography of Brighton and the bus routes. If you don’t get your nearest school, there’s a good chance you will need to get a bus into the centre of Brighton and then another bus to whichever school you got allocated.

Finding out that you didn’t get into Dorothy Stringer / Blatchington Mill but instead a school that you are less inspired by AND will have to travel for 40+ minutes is really annoying. Some surprising people used to choose private school for this reason … I don’t know whether this is still the case.

47 (14%) kids were offered FSM places at Blatchlington Mill and 49 (15%) at Dorothy Stringer so I guess the catchment for distance criterion shrunk for 15% or even less, as part of those kids would get in by distance criterion anyway.

https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/children-and-learning/allocation-factsheet-year-7-places-september-2025

Allocation Factsheet for Year 7 places September 2025

https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/children-and-learning/allocation-factsheet-year-7-places-september-2025

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