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Labour reviewing school admission criteria

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JustAlice · 09/08/2025 10:16

"Sir Keir Starmer plans to update the Equality Act to give public authorities a new duty to consider a person’s “socio-economic background”.
The changes could mean that schools are forced to give pupils from a working-class background priority when applying for school places, according to Conservative research, instead of judging applications based on how far away from a school someone lives."

Last year BBC had articles on how Brighton and Hove Labour council implemented similar policy, and now substancial % of school places goes to children on FSM instead of childre living closer to the school, making average % of FSM in them closer to the council average.
Protests didn't lead to anything.

If Starmer is going to rollout this model for the whole country, I'm torn, because though I'm against class division and think that current model encourages it

  1. I strongly disagree that the families on less than minimal wage income are the only working people in the country. Maybe call them deprived to be honest.
  2. In Brighton, faith schools are still not impacted.

YABU - we should be happy about this
YANBU - not a good idea

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realtimeintrusion · 09/08/2025 15:54

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:22

Labour are lurking taking notes

oo
extra transport costs…didn’t think of that
pollution….didnt think if that
less tax payer hours….didnt think of that

I hope they are lurking !

If they really cared about closing the gap between the poor and the well off they’d scrap the 2 child UC limit , invest heavily in improving ALL schools and scrap VAT on private school fees

Fenellasbum · 09/08/2025 15:52

MaturingCheeseball · 09/08/2025 15:48

The thing is, so a poor child is admitted to a better secondary. They do well, go to university, become, say, a chartered accountant. They have a family, move to a good area, then BOOM ! No, you middle-class twerp - think again! No nearest school for you. Improving your lot is a bad thing .

This is exactly right.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:50

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 15:42

All I know it's not working. Read somewhere there's less housing being built now than during COVID. Building companies are used to making huge profits when demand outweights supply and they will not start building more because it would mean prices will go down.

Edited

That’s not what Angelas modus operandi is all about tbh

( As an aside - Agree developers like to make money but then don't all businesses and councils have to acknowledge a % profit when determining a planning application )

The point however is her dictatorship approach to Governing this area

MaturingCheeseball · 09/08/2025 15:48

The thing is, so a poor child is admitted to a better secondary. They do well, go to university, become, say, a chartered accountant. They have a family, move to a good area, then BOOM ! No, you middle-class twerp - think again! No nearest school for you. Improving your lot is a bad thing .

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:45

nearlylovemyusername · 09/08/2025 15:36

I think it's even more sinister than this.
With VAT on private schools there is an exodus and higher income families are moving to the better state ones and of course this impacts catchment areas but also reduces VAT take which Labour expected. I believe at the end of last academic year net tax impact was already zero (don't remember where I read it), from 2025/26 it's likely to be negative.

So they want to screw middle classes to force them back to private schools.

Proverbial 6500 extra teachers - any signs anywhere??

There is not a single policy at present aimed at actual improvement of state education, none, zilch, nothing.

All they do is trying to redistribute to make everything equally bad so at the end of their term God forbid someone can blame them that middle classes/higher earners do better than benefits claimants.

Labour's demise will be much faster and more dramatic than Tory, they won't last more than this terms but the issue is that Reform don't even need to move a finger, KS and RR do everything to bring Nige to power. Urgh

I agree. It’s probably dawned on them that those switching from private schools are now taking up places at the better state schools and are now thinking of ways to address that. It was always going to happen. Those parents who were previously in the private sector were never going to settle for the worst state schools. This is a problem at year 7 especially. The Labour Party only have themselves to blame.

So they want to screw middle classes to force them back to private schools.

Many families simply don’t have the money for private education any more, because of the hike in fees this year caused by VAT and other taxes. They can’t afford the fees even if they wanted to.

Proverbial 6500 extra teachers - any signs anywhere??

Of course there isn’t. Not only have they revised the teacher recruitment target down, they’ve cut funding to many areas of education (STEM, music, Latin, languages etc), as well as announcing unfunded pay rises which has effectively cut schools’ budgets. In any case, Labour have now said that the money raised from VAT (not that there’ll be any) is going towards building affordable housing.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 09/08/2025 15:44

80smonster · 09/08/2025 12:09

Yep, it’s all grade A bull shit. Seems to be designed to prevent higher tax payers (who have the financial autonomy to pay fees/or move) from having the freedom of choice. How long before these higher rate tax payers decide not to play along and instead think more globally about their careers? Not long I suspect.

They are already voting with their feet, haven't you heard?

Tens of thousands of high earners, perhaps hundreds of thousands have already left.

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 15:42

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:36

Have you checked out Angela Rayners housing policy

The complete opposite of listening. More dictatorship

All I know it's not working. Read somewhere there's less housing being built now than during COVID. Building companies are used to making huge profits when demand outweights supply and they will not start building more because it would mean prices will go down.

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:36

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 15:33

They can't afford to not gaf as they are hugely unpopular atm.
Could you imagine Sir Kier saying "island of strangers" just a year ago? Also backtracking on every unpopular major decision.
My impression is they are really trying to listen right now..

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Have you checked out Angela Rayners housing policy

The complete opposite of listening. More dictatorship

nearlylovemyusername · 09/08/2025 15:36

I think it's even more sinister than this.
With VAT on private schools there is an exodus and higher income families are moving to the better state ones and of course this impacts catchment areas but also reduces VAT take which Labour expected. I believe at the end of last academic year net tax impact was already zero (don't remember where I read it), from 2025/26 it's likely to be negative.

So they want to screw middle classes to force them back to private schools.

Proverbial 6500 extra teachers - any signs anywhere??

There is not a single policy at present aimed at actual improvement of state education, none, zilch, nothing.

All they do is trying to redistribute to make everything equally bad so at the end of their term God forbid someone can blame them that middle classes/higher earners do better than benefits claimants.

Labour's demise will be much faster and more dramatic than Tory, they won't last more than this terms but the issue is that Reform don't even need to move a finger, KS and RR do everything to bring Nige to power. Urgh

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:34

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:22

People said the same re welfare cuts on here ‘media speculation’ / whistle nonsense etc, which turned out to be happening.

People also laughed when posters suggested VAT on private healthcare might be a possibility once VAT on education was implemented. Lord Kinnock has now said that private healthcare should be taxed.

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 15:33

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:26

Agree they wouldn’t gaf
Don’t agree they’ve thought it through because they never do

They can't afford to not gaf as they are hugely unpopular atm.
Could you imagine Sir Kier saying "island of strangers" just a year ago? Also backtracking on every unpopular major decision.
My impression is they are really trying to listen right now..

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EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:31

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/08/2025 15:29

Some posters have, quite reasonably, been questioning whether this policy actually exists. It may well not do.

But whether it does or it doesn’t, it won’t happen. The left-wing middle class who proudly announce their opposition to fee paying schools but buy into a good comp’s catchment area would squeal, and this idea would disappear.

They’ll have to be pretty loud as Labour have a tendency to barrel through regardless.

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:30

DeafLeppard · 09/08/2025 15:18

Is there any evidence that Labour are actually considering this or have we all reacted to a right wing made up dog whistle?

I think the possibility has been questioned because of this part of their manifesto

“Respect and equality for all
Everyone in this country deserves a government that matches their ambition. Labour will ensure no matter whatever your background, you can thrive, and therefore we will enact the socio-economic duty in the Equality Act 2010.”

It’s under the section “break down barriers to opportunity” which is largely about education.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/08/2025 15:29

Some posters have, quite reasonably, been questioning whether this policy actually exists. It may well not do.

But whether it does or it doesn’t, it won’t happen. The left-wing middle class who proudly announce their opposition to fee paying schools but buy into a good comp’s catchment area would squeal, and this idea would disappear.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:26

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:25

I think the policeman said it best, when he said the school was more a herding pen than anything else.

My cousin said her kids school was like that
No idea why she seemed to think that was funny

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:26

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:23

Oh they did. They just don’t gaf.

Agree they wouldn’t gaf
Don’t agree they’ve thought it through because they never do

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:25

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:23

Or poor parenting

I think the policeman said it best, when he said the school was more a herding pen than anything else.

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:25

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:24

Interesting because I thought I was being sarcastic

Edited

Oh I know, I think I agree with your take

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:24

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:22

People said the same re welfare cuts on here ‘media speculation’ / whistle nonsense etc, which turned out to be happening.

Interesting because I thought I was being sarcastic

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:23

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:22

Labour are lurking taking notes

oo
extra transport costs…didn’t think of that
pollution….didnt think if that
less tax payer hours….didnt think of that

Oh they did. They just don’t gaf.

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:23

nearlylovemyusername · 09/08/2025 15:21

children should suffer because thier parents made bad choices

Of course not. Children should suffer because their parents made good choices. Typical Labour

Ah yes well said.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:23

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:21

Did everyone / anyone see the drama recently where a young boy stabbed a girl to death. They were about 12 I think. Anyway that school, he attended in the drama, was exactly the same as the school I attended. And is exactly the same as many schools across the UK. Dreadful. Not sure what the answer is. Poor teachers.

Or poor parenting

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 09/08/2025 15:23

It’s a good idea. The houses in the catchment for the outstanding schools in my area go for a million +.

I’m really happy with my kids (non-outstanding but actually very good, and more diverse) school, and we wouldn’t class as lower income anyway, so have no dog in this fight, but I’d like to see the kids of non-high earners also get a good education too. High earners have gotten away with gaming the system for far too long.

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:20

No idea tbh.
It’s only in one ??? Paper

Maybe Labour have leaked it to the Telegraph to see how it would go down with Mumsnet

We are an authority on the subject ☺️

People said the same re welfare cuts on here ‘media speculation’ / whistle nonsense etc, which turned out to be happening.

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:17

There shouldn’t be ‘bad’ performing schools though. This is the key issue.

I absolutely agree and I’ve made that point in previous posts. If all state schools offered an excellent education there wouldn’t be a need for parents to move houses/tutor/use private education etc.

I haven’t seen a single idea from the Labour government that’s going to do anything to improve the poorer performing schools though. It’s all about knocking the better performing ones down. They are aiming for equality by dragging the better ones down, rather than dragging the worse ones up.