Labour reviewing school admission criteria

Precisely.

And I'm still waiting for 6500 teachers. RR had two thirds of her annual take from VAT already, where are the teachers???

Well your permission is not required, but yes you and others said similar for welfare cuts. It was ‘media speculation’ then.

For this no chance, majority yanbu they’d lose votes.

You can talk about it all you like but you’re discussing a work of fiction.

As for the don’t talk about it posts, I recall similar from pro Labour against welfare cuts.

Exactly.

What has Labour said about this? It seems like a pretty major story. Have they stamped on it?

Wind them up and watch them go.

So you are saying they are working their way down the social hierarchy blaming each in turn when the previous group of parents didn’t magically improve things in failing schools?

I’m not die hard anything except accuracy. The facts are simple. The government is proposing to reinstate part of the Equality Act to extend the obligation of local authorities. This has been spun - and the Telegraph article actually says this - into a fiction about school place allocation.

The Labour government has done a lot of things I’m disappointed by, to the point whereby I probably won’t vote for it again, but blame it for what it’s done - God knows there’s enough - rather than what the opposition says it’s doing.

Yup. That’s about it.

I can only talk about my individual experience, obviously, but in our case, it’s not the school it’s the area and the majority of people who live here.

The school do so much. They put on free clubs every day after school for the children for everything you could want. Spots, science, cooking, art, games, drama, dance, chess, ones just to hang out and chat.

Yet you know, and they know, the children who will attend. It’s the more middle class families in the area that take them up on it (I volunteer to run a couple of classes as a helper to the teachers who stay to do them, I hear them talk). The classes are there for the taking. They are free and your child gets to stay in school until 4:30 doing something fun - win!

The school also do a SATS club everyday for the term before SATs. Afterschool and free with snacks and games after. The uptake is so low. Dd and some of the other children on her year last year didn’t need any extra support, but the school asked if we could send them anyway - just becuase if there was no uptake for the children who did need help, they might not get the go ahead to run them in future for children who were identified as needing extra lessons. They needed to keep the numbers to keep it going.

Sometimes, you can put all the opportunities you like in front of someone for their child and they will laugh at it, or can’t be bothered.

Yes, I know, you're die hard Labour, they can do no wrong. I respect your consistency

More fiction. What a great piece of Tory propaganda this is.

There will be a consultation, then someone will have to build and implement a system, overhaul the school allocation system, find ways of checking parental jobs and income. It will be a huge waste of money. Much rather spend all that brain space and money on actually funding schools properly.

Pretty much this. But Labour are running out of road, they are down £50bn and will likely try to show difference.

Hopefully they’d just lose so many votes it’d not happen or be overturned at next GE.

Which is exactly the aim of the Conservative “research” which forms the basis of the article you’re discussing. The Tories are playing you all and you’re falling for it.

It's interesting that people might accept higher levels of taxation and some level of personal sacrifices for the greater good of society.

But even ultra left wing parents (apart from the lowest level scam who just don't care) will not forgive and will not forget when their kids are affected. So even by having suspicion of this policy Labour eroded their voters base yet again.

They would be much better off putting the money they are proposing spending on this ridiculous idea back into schools.

What money? The amount of fiction on this thread is insane.

Replace

"sharp elbowed coercive middle class parents" and "local ghettoes"
with
"wealthy private school parents who don't give a s..t about anyone else" and "state schools"

respectively
and you'll get PS VAT sentiment from a year ago word to word.

They would be much better off putting the money they are proposing spending on this ridiculous idea back into schools.

Raise pupil premium, invest and bring back sure start/ early help. Bring back learning mentors/ nurture groups, every class having a TA in addition to any 1:1s, more intervention groups for those who need them, more SN provision, smaller class sizes, family support services. Actually fund schools properly so they can afford resources. You know, things that could actually make a difference.

So according to PPs middle class parents are awful sharp elbowed coercive creatures who prioritise education for their children (how dare they!) leading to better schools. Whilst poor parents don’t care what education their children get and can’t be bothered to apply to better schools. Therefore middle class children should be put in poor schools in order for them to a) suffer educational disadvantage and b) show those poor oiks how it should be done? And because their children are being dragged down by the inhabitants of the local ghettos, their sharp-elbowed parents might do the government’s work of trying to improve their sink school even though such behaviour must be condemned?

Is that it?

Yes, of course. The tutoring places in our town are mainly Asian children going to them as well. It just is what it is.

I’m so used to it, I’ve lived with it most of my life. It’s just not nice when it filters down to my children due to my appearance.

Sorry to hear that. Nasty stuff.

On a general level it’s a fact that grammars are more ethnically mixed than all other types of school. It’s a product of the greater emphasis on family and expectation of achievement among ethnic minorities.

Well, that’s great for him. And I am sure that there are many stories like that.

But it’s just not what happens on the whole. My dd will be in the minority as a white child at her grammar.

The other children are predominantly Asian. Yes. It’s in a midlands town where there is a large population of Asian familes, but they make up a massive proportion of who attends the grammar. We are not in a grammar area, they are few and far between and spread over 3 counties - children travel for over an hour to get there in most cases.

I am partly Indian myself and I am darker skinned (dd isn’t). When it became known at her primary school that dd was going for the 11+, she had a bit of low level bullying at school. I was called in as some of the comments were “you are going to the paki school because your mum is one.” The teachers were so embarrassed and annoyed but obviously, not surprised.

That came from the parents, not the children - we’ve had comments like that from parents before, dd is bright as does well, so it’s reduced to me being (partly) Indian. Right-o.

One of the best grammars in the country and it’s reduced to a racial slur as no one else can be arsed to put their children in for an exam and give them a chance too.

There’s a left-wing middle class principle that comprehensive education is a good thing, provided they can buy a house near to a good school. Otherwise there’s suddenly a special reason why Imogen and Alexander just have to be put into a caring private school or try for the nearest grammar if there is one.

The conservative middle class also buy into good schools’ catchments but will happily admit that they’re chasing advantage for their children. They don’t parade bogus values.

Doesnt address underlying reasons for inequality.

Tinkers around the edges.

Consequences will be children travelling further to get to school, contributing to further societal breakdown.

While those that can, manipulate finances/tax returns to continue to get the school they want.