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to feel hurt that some women who cannot conceive seem to take it out on other women who get pregnant but never the men?

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joyjoyw · 08/08/2025 17:53

I struggled with infertility for years. It was painful, isolating, and at times it felt like my body was betraying me. Along the way, I made a few close friendships with other women who were going through the same. We bonded over the grief, the tests, the waiting, the hope.

But when I finally got pregnant, something I never even believed would happen, I was overjoyed, but also mindful. I didn’t make big announcements. I tried to be sensitive. But several of those women just cut me off, almost overnight. No explanation, no "I need space", just silence. It hurt deeply.

What confuses me is that their anger or pain seemed to be directed only at me, the woman who got pregnant not at my husband. As if I did something to them personally. As if my pregnancy was a betrayal. But the men? Never held to account. No one stopped talking to my husband.

I completely understand that grief and comparison can make people pull away. I know it's not always rational. I know what it feels like to watch others get what you’re desperately hoping for. But I never imagined that when it finally happened to me, I'd lose people I’d once leaned on.

AIBU to feel like there’s something deeply unfair about how women carry so much of this emotional fallout, sometimes even punishing each other while men walk away untouched?

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joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:33

dairydebris · 09/08/2025 16:30

Then you of all people should be able to understand the deep pain these women are feeling?
I find it quite shocking that you think them bitter and twisted for simply not talking to you anymore.

Is it not a possibility? It is one of many possibilities.

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dairydebris · 09/08/2025 16:30

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:27

I was just agreeing with what another poster said. Several posters have commented it is unpleasant to cut someone off without warning. I know the pain of infertility. It does not get wiped out just because a baby finally comes. I also lost a baby too.

Then you of all people should be able to understand the deep pain these women are feeling?
I find it quite shocking that you think them bitter and twisted for simply not talking to you anymore.

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:27

dairydebris · 09/08/2025 16:16

I think you're showing up how you really feel by saying those who can't bear to interact with you because you're pregnant and they are not are 'bitter and twisted'. Quite a surprising lack of empathy and grace towards those suffering great pain because of infertility.

I was just agreeing with what another poster said. Several posters have commented it is unpleasant to cut someone off without warning. I know the pain of infertility. It does not get wiped out just because a baby finally comes. I also lost a baby too.

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dairydebris · 09/08/2025 16:16

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:08

Thank you for understanding ❤

It does feel like there is some bitterness and twistedness (is that a word?) 😂

I think you're showing up how you really feel by saying those who can't bear to interact with you because you're pregnant and they are not are 'bitter and twisted'. Quite a surprising lack of empathy and grace towards those suffering great pain because of infertility.

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:08

T1Dmama · 09/08/2025 15:34

@joyjoyw please don’t fret over these people.. they are not and we’re never your friends, your bond was purely because you shared trauma/grief… the second any of you conceived the others would’ve cut them off too! It’s not personal.
How are they still talking to your DH? If my ‘friends’ treated me like this my husband would’ve blanked them too!

I’ve been both sides of fertility… my friend and I both suffered infertility… she needed hormone treatment which failed and I’d done four rounds of IVF as it was my partner not me… when she came and told me she was pregnant I was bloody thrilled for her, always asked how she was getting on and was genuinely interested in her pregnancy and scans etc… of course I wished I was also pregnant but was never bitter … when she came to me again upset that her hormone treatment hadn’t worked when trying to conceive second baby… I didn’t give the ridiculous argument of ‘well at least you have one!’… I comforted her… when she then told me she was pregnant with baby 2 I was again thrilled for her… I wouldn’t have dreamt of falling out with her… but then we were actual friends!!

After years of trying, I separated from him, met someone new and finally got pregnant.. my other friends who were also trying and having difficulties were pleased for me!… not a single one cut me off!…. Thankfully and weirdly they all got pregnant within months of me, I was thrilled and we all had bonnie little girls!!…. So weird lol!…. Most went on to have second babies .. I never conceived again sadly.

Anyway I wouldn’t waste headspace on these women… if they can’t be happy for others then they’re just bitter and twisted!

Thank you for understanding ❤

It does feel like there is some bitterness and twistedness (is that a word?) 😂

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T1Dmama · 09/08/2025 15:48

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 15:35

Survival is fine and I don't have an issue with it. But cutting someone off out of the blue is rather unpleasant. The survival mode only extends to women not men even when the baby is with a man.

It’s not survival. It’s just a bunch bitter women! Leave them to it!!

🎈🎈CONGRATULATIONS @joyjoyw 🎈🎈

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 15:35

FlyRedRobin · 09/08/2025 15:07

It is more survival on their part. I wouldn't have expectations of them if I were OP.

Survival is fine and I don't have an issue with it. But cutting someone off out of the blue is rather unpleasant. The survival mode only extends to women not men even when the baby is with a man.

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T1Dmama · 09/08/2025 15:34

@joyjoyw please don’t fret over these people.. they are not and we’re never your friends, your bond was purely because you shared trauma/grief… the second any of you conceived the others would’ve cut them off too! It’s not personal.
How are they still talking to your DH? If my ‘friends’ treated me like this my husband would’ve blanked them too!

I’ve been both sides of fertility… my friend and I both suffered infertility… she needed hormone treatment which failed and I’d done four rounds of IVF as it was my partner not me… when she came and told me she was pregnant I was bloody thrilled for her, always asked how she was getting on and was genuinely interested in her pregnancy and scans etc… of course I wished I was also pregnant but was never bitter … when she came to me again upset that her hormone treatment hadn’t worked when trying to conceive second baby… I didn’t give the ridiculous argument of ‘well at least you have one!’… I comforted her… when she then told me she was pregnant with baby 2 I was again thrilled for her… I wouldn’t have dreamt of falling out with her… but then we were actual friends!!

After years of trying, I separated from him, met someone new and finally got pregnant.. my other friends who were also trying and having difficulties were pleased for me!… not a single one cut me off!…. Thankfully and weirdly they all got pregnant within months of me, I was thrilled and we all had bonnie little girls!!…. So weird lol!…. Most went on to have second babies .. I never conceived again sadly.

Anyway I wouldn’t waste headspace on these women… if they can’t be happy for others then they’re just bitter and twisted!

CottageGoblin · 09/08/2025 15:23

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 14:20

I understand what you're saying, but i juet think if you think z friendship has gone beyond one thing you have in common to start the relationship ,to then be ghosted without a conversation is unreasonable, at the very least

Right….so we agree on that……

Oranjes · 09/08/2025 15:12

applegingermint · 08/08/2025 20:57

Why are you using Chat GPT to write your responses?

My thoughts exactly!

FlyRedRobin · 09/08/2025 15:07

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 11:29

They are only thinking themselves, too. Why is "kindness" a one way street?

It is more survival on their part. I wouldn't have expectations of them if I were OP.

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 14:59

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 09/08/2025 14:29

You have just shown you don't understand. That is fine if you haven't experienced it.

Depends what you mean: disability? Definitely. Struggling to have a baby?how many years count?

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 14:47

InWalksBarberalla · 09/08/2025 14:36

But why are you acting like your situation is universal - sometimes the men's friendships also get impacted. Just because it hasn't happened in your circle doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I’m not saying it never happens to men. I’m sure sometimes their friendships take a hit too. I’m just talking about what I’ve actually seen.

I’m not claiming it’s the same everywhere, but in my circle it’s been really one-sided and that’s what I’m talking about.

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InWalksBarberalla · 09/08/2025 14:36

joyjoyw · 08/08/2025 20:53

I am not blaming men. I am pointing out a pattern. When a woman in an infertility circle gets pregnant, she is often the one who gets cut off, avoided, or resented. Meanwhile, her partner, who is also becoming a parent, is still welcomed, still invited, still spoken to like nothing has changed.

That is not about blaming men. It is about asking why the emotional fallout of someone else's grief so often lands only on women. Why is it the pregnant woman who becomes the symbol of pain, while her partner keeps his friendships with no awkwardness or distance?

Edited

But why are you acting like your situation is universal - sometimes the men's friendships also get impacted. Just because it hasn't happened in your circle doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 09/08/2025 14:29

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 11:35

What about other life circumstances? Is that ok to just cut people out as they have something you don't?

You have just shown you don't understand. That is fine if you haven't experienced it.

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 14:27

TheTwitcher11 · 09/08/2025 12:12

Thanks for your understanding, it’s appreciated because a lot of people on this site like to pile on.

Chances are the friends would eventually get over it but it’s very ask to request a 5-10 year friendship break from someone so I think some people just disassociate completely (but if it were me, I would be brutally honest with OP, I think others are too scared to be labelled bitter and jealous)

I agree about the difficult, brutal conversations: but,as you show, if you presume good faith like we're doing,and have an adult conversation , it's just better. It's not op's fault she feels abandoned, but i do understand the other women finding it so painful theyd do anything to avoid that. But I think it's reasonable to think being told it's ending is fair.

Winterwonders24 · 09/08/2025 14:20

CottageGoblin · 09/08/2025 11:23

christ! With this level of whatabouttery it’s amazing anyone can see anything from a different point of view.

I never mentioned disabled people. You did. Friendships made from trauma change. And lots of other posters said that.

I have never said it was fine to ghost people you thought were your friends either.

I understand what you're saying, but i juet think if you think z friendship has gone beyond one thing you have in common to start the relationship ,to then be ghosted without a conversation is unreasonable, at the very least

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 14:19

I don’t get why you can’t understand that sometimes seeing a pregnant woman with a bump is triggering for someone who has lost a child or is going through infertility. To be nasty is uncalled for, but to be secretly jelaous is normal.

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 14:16

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 14:15

“How do all the jealous woman”

Can I just remind you that grief looks different to every one and as I mentioned it is unfair and nasty to be horrible towards anyone for having a baby just because you can’t or have lost yours. To call someone names or block them is not fair and I’ve never said that it is fine.

Grief is illogical, grief is a journey, grief hits and makes you feel things you’ve never felt before and sometimes can’t explain.

I lost my twins and yes I felt jelaous and a gut punch when I saw pregnant woman. I’m not apologising for that, it’s how I felt. I’ve never once been nasty to someone for being pregnant, I’ve stepped back and said no to baby showers before but I’ve always checked in.

Yes it’s horrible your friends have blocked you and continued to see your DH - I do think they are unreasonable for that.

And I don’t have a brother and SIL who have a baby so I can’t tell you how I would feel. Everyone’s grief is different and you can’t make assumptions about how you might feel if it hasn’t happened to you.

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 14:15

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 14:08

Is it only about being pregnant that women treat other women badly? So you would not treat your brother for example any differently? It is fine to treat him the same because he does not carry the baby. It is fine for him to be a father and hold his baby but the SIL is the one to have all the jealousy towards because how dare she be pregnant when someone else can't?

This jealousy does not extend to seeing men with their children only to pregnant women for some reason.

It is not just about the pregnancy but the baby surely? How do all the jealous women avoid all the women with babies everywhere? Men who have their baby with them are fine apparently.

“How do all the jealous woman”

Can I just remind you that grief looks different to every one and as I mentioned it is unfair and nasty to be horrible towards anyone for having a baby just because you can’t or have lost yours. To call someone names or block them is not fair and I’ve never said that it is fine.

Grief is illogical, grief is a journey, grief hits and makes you feel things you’ve never felt before and sometimes can’t explain.

I lost my twins and yes I felt jelaous and a gut punch when I saw pregnant woman. I’m not apologising for that, it’s how I felt. I’ve never once been nasty to someone for being pregnant, I’ve stepped back and said no to baby showers before but I’ve always checked in.

Yes it’s horrible your friends have blocked you and continued to see your DH - I do think they are unreasonable for that.

KimberleyClark · 09/08/2025 14:12

CarParkingTwit · 09/08/2025 13:29

What about women that drop childless friends after they have a baby? This happens a lot. You see threads on here of women saying they can’t relate to their childless friends anymore and just want to keep themselves at home with “their little family” and that they find their childless friends conversations so boring etc.

Yes and then they expect their childless friends to still be waiting when they’ve finally decided they’ve got time for them years down the line.

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 14:08

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 13:58

First of all I think that being nasty towards others for having a baby when you can’t / lost yours is obviously unfair. It doesn’t matter how you feel inside, to call someone names or begrudge someone of happiness is obviously not called for.

Having said that - I’ve lost babies before and yes, I was jealous of my female friends who were pregnant whilst I was grieving my baby. I think it’s a bit off for someone who’s dealt with infertility themselves can’t understand that when you are grieving wether that be your lost babies or getting pregnant you can’t see how other woman might struggle seeing woman with their big bumps and small babies. Whilst it does take 2 to tango, for me it was the trigger of seeing big bumps and friends talking about buying baby clothes or names that I struggled with.

Most woman I’ve spoke to who have dealt with losses also say how hard it is watching others with bumps or being invited to baby showers etc for the mum.

I have never been jelaous of triggered by the man because they are either 1) not close to me like best friends are or 2) pregnant and have a baby in their belly…

Is it only about being pregnant that women treat other women badly? So you would not treat your brother for example any differently? It is fine to treat him the same because he does not carry the baby. It is fine for him to be a father and hold his baby but the SIL is the one to have all the jealousy towards because how dare she be pregnant when someone else can't?

This jealousy does not extend to seeing men with their children only to pregnant women for some reason.

It is not just about the pregnancy but the baby surely? How do all the jealous women avoid all the women with babies everywhere? Men who have their baby with them are fine apparently.

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SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 14:02

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 11:54

We were all friends to start with, and then some of us got closer because of the fertility stuff. But it wasn’t like my husband was on the outside. He was part of the group too. We all did things together, nights out, birthdays, weekends away.

When I got pregnant, the women stopped talking to me but still saw my husband. They’ve gone out with their husbands and him, chatted, even when he’s had the baby with him.

That’s why I think there is a male/female element. He’s also becoming a parent, but no one has treated him like a reminder or a problem. I’m the one who got shut out.

I still stand by my above comment but if this is true then obviously if your friends are ditching you and being off then they aren’t friends. You can be deep down jealous of someone’s pregnancy whilst still being friends.

SugarMarshmallow · 09/08/2025 13:58

First of all I think that being nasty towards others for having a baby when you can’t / lost yours is obviously unfair. It doesn’t matter how you feel inside, to call someone names or begrudge someone of happiness is obviously not called for.

Having said that - I’ve lost babies before and yes, I was jealous of my female friends who were pregnant whilst I was grieving my baby. I think it’s a bit off for someone who’s dealt with infertility themselves can’t understand that when you are grieving wether that be your lost babies or getting pregnant you can’t see how other woman might struggle seeing woman with their big bumps and small babies. Whilst it does take 2 to tango, for me it was the trigger of seeing big bumps and friends talking about buying baby clothes or names that I struggled with.

Most woman I’ve spoke to who have dealt with losses also say how hard it is watching others with bumps or being invited to baby showers etc for the mum.

I have never been jelaous of triggered by the man because they are either 1) not close to me like best friends are or 2) pregnant and have a baby in their belly…

CarParkingTwit · 09/08/2025 13:29

SomethingFun · 08/08/2025 19:11

I’m prepared for some nasty comments but dropping friends because you can’t have a child and they can is absolutely bullshit. No one, however much they want one, is owed a child and it’s not fair on yourself and others to put yourself through all this emotional turmoil over it. I genuinely don’t understand why women do this to themselves.

What about women that drop childless friends after they have a baby? This happens a lot. You see threads on here of women saying they can’t relate to their childless friends anymore and just want to keep themselves at home with “their little family” and that they find their childless friends conversations so boring etc.