To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

I think this is all very true.

We have to be both balanced and honest in our approach, and also not let the far right steal the agenda on this issue (which I think is what has happened).

It shouldn’t be a huge ask to expect the same laws to apply to everyone, but apparently it is.

But actually the same laws, without deciding we’re only going to focus on non-white men. It doesn’t seem very surprising that Reform are constantly being found to be committing offences against or at least being offensive to women, whilst banging on about “immigrants threatening our women”.

I'm afraid that is the argument if you care to read the thread. That men from misogynist cultures (name a country that isn't), will import their behaviour here. You're well aware that sexual assault is illegal, therefore they're incapable of acting within the law.

One in four women will be abused in the UK and one in three will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. The people abusing women are misogynists. That's who's oppressing women the world over. Check out the Whitehouse, millions voted for a sex offender.

Of Europe. Not the world presumably?

Nobody said ‘all person from X country are incapable of acting within the law’.

We have said the average man coming from a deeply misogynistic country is more likely to be misogynistic.

If they’re not then who is oppressing the women? Can you answer?

Did you really type that? I mean sure , they might’ve not been specifically for going to school, but did all the school shootings in America pass you by? Or all the other mass shootings?

Did the whole queue clap?

The majority of visas given to non Europeans are for Indian nationals.

I think the key point to that statement is "visas". India also has a well-functioning bureaucracy, so we can have relative confidence that only men with no criminal record are coming here.

I live in the femicide capital of Europe. Its not this way because of immigrants.

That's not the argument. The argument is that men brought up in misogynist cultures will bring their misogyny to the UK and are incapable of acting within the law. They will sexually attack and harass women because that's their 'culture'.

Because we vet Indians arriving here?

The majority of visas given to non Europeans are for Indian nationals.

I think the key point to that statement is "visas". India also has a well-functioning bureaucracy, so we can have relative confidence that only men with no criminal record are coming here.

They're applying legally, and can be vetted before arriving on our shores, they aren't turning up in boats.

The majority of visas given to non Europeans are for Indian nationals.

I think the key point to that statement is "visas". India also has a well-functioning bureaucracy, so we can have relative confidence that only men with no criminal record are coming here.

The majority of visas given to non Europeans are for Indian nationals.

I think the key point to that statement is "visas". India also has a well-functioning bureaucracy, so we can have relative confidence that only men with no criminal record are coming here.

Agree!

Unfortunately a small percentage of men are child abusers for example. Even more unfortunately the proportion of men (and women) who would turn a blind eye to child abuse in the right circumstances is much higher. The circumstances thing is complicated. It's not just to do with different cultural values. It's also to do with where the victim is perceived to be in the "in group" compared to the perpetrator. That's potentially why it was easier for the grooming gangs to abuse children for so long - the children were an out group to the South Asian men (race) and an out group to police etc (class). You need to be able to talk about that. But saying its a problem with foreign culture alone is completely counterproductive. Women and men from all cultures can be succeptible to the same behaviour patterns. See the film Whistleblower for example.

When the grooming gangs case came out I think some people were using the "it's terrible Asians" to push the problem further away from them. If it was just South Asian culture the white social workers, police etc would have stopped it sooner. I said a while back I thought the police seemed to be using "we were scared of being called racists" as an excuse.for deeper complicity. I stand by that... And that's the risk of only focussing on the racism angle.

But lots of people think "I would totally deck any kiddy fiddler" imagining how angry they would be if someone hurt their sister. But if it was their good friend/colleague/army buddy telling a funny story about the time they had sex with a prostitute in Belize/Kenya they wouldn't be worrying about if she was underage/trafficked. But you can rewrite that tendancy with self awareness.

One of my neighbours sought my opinion on Reform yesterday. Most unexpected and unwanted. What do I 'think about 'the boats?'' I think it's vastly exaggerated by Farage. Why? Because migration is all they've got, nothing else. Tell me another policy. Oh, well, good day then.