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To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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malificent7 · 08/08/2025 12:47

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

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Dangermoo · 09/08/2025 10:32

Who said they weren't a threat? Is the colour of a bloke's skin more important than the threat of assault? Not to me, it isn't.

TopPocketFind · 09/08/2025 10:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 10:26

You are suggesting that we break the law and openly discriminate? We send people back to countries where their lives could be at risk? Why only 'illegal immigration'? Many countries in the world are misogynist and have high amounts of VAWAG. We give visas to people from 'high risk' countries by the thousand.

Plenty of expats choose those countries to live an work in

TopPocketFind · 09/08/2025 10:29

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 10:21

Are British men inherently all far right activists?

How do you define a British man?

GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 10:27

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 10:19

Andrew Tate and extremist content was used as an example to demonstrate how people can be radicalised online.

Small boat crossings have been happening since 2018, yet I've seen no evidence of refugees crazed by Shariah law wreaking havoc in the UK.

I'm wondering what people expect to happen if the ethnicity of perpetrators is released. Are innocent people from certain countries going to be banned? Tagged? Imprisoned? Deported? If so, are we going to introduce discriminatory practices into the legal system where innocent people are presumed to be sex offenders?

You’ve seen no evidence, yet seem to be against any potential evidence being collated? Doesn’t make sense.

Either men are all the same everywhere, and no more or less likely to be rapists, in which case Andrew Tate and the like would make no difference, as men are the same regardless, so no need to worry.

Or it does make a difference, in which case you’re happy for men who were ‘radicalised’ elsewhere to be shipped in in droves, but not happy for British men to be ‘radicalised’ by Andrew Tate online?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 10:26

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 10:20

I think it would force politicians to face facts around the consequences of their decisions; and hopefully prevent illegal immigration from high risk countries.

You are suggesting that we break the law and openly discriminate? We send people back to countries where their lives could be at risk? Why only 'illegal immigration'? Many countries in the world are misogynist and have high amounts of VAWAG. We give visas to people from 'high risk' countries by the thousand.

Dangermoo · 09/08/2025 10:25

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/08/2025 14:43

So you're sympathetic to the far right? You understand that they're racists and will use any argument in order to have an ethnostate? They want mass remigration and are manipulating people into turning against asylum seekers and Muslim men by labelling them all as rapists and paedophiles.

You're sympathetic to them trying to break into hotels to attack people? You're sympathetic to them stirring up hatred and division in local communities and making people feel unsafe?

You're tarring all people, who question high levels of immigration with the same brush. I take it, we can do the same with the hard left - you know, all those who try to say there isn't a problem. With migrants attacking women.

GrouachMacbeth · 09/08/2025 10:25

There is a lot of attention on migrants/ asylum/ seeker/ refugee sex attacks. You me toon white men in the UK/UK. You conveniently forget that there are a number of non white men in the UK and us who have heritage in said countries for up to and in excess of 200 years. Do some of them commit raped or are they all alabaster saints?

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 10:21

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 09:28

The thread title is
“To think that white British/ American etc men are just as much a threat to
women as migrants?”

Are British men inherently all far right activists?

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 10:20

GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 10:06

Also find it odd people are using Andrew Tate as an example of far right under this country, and how it causes misogyny in men here, yet think growing up under sharia law won’t have a worse effect on some of the men being shipped to these hotels

You’re talking too much sense!

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 10:20

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 10:19

Andrew Tate and extremist content was used as an example to demonstrate how people can be radicalised online.

Small boat crossings have been happening since 2018, yet I've seen no evidence of refugees crazed by Shariah law wreaking havoc in the UK.

I'm wondering what people expect to happen if the ethnicity of perpetrators is released. Are innocent people from certain countries going to be banned? Tagged? Imprisoned? Deported? If so, are we going to introduce discriminatory practices into the legal system where innocent people are presumed to be sex offenders?

I think it would force politicians to face facts around the consequences of their decisions; and hopefully prevent illegal immigration from high risk countries.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 10:19

GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 10:06

Also find it odd people are using Andrew Tate as an example of far right under this country, and how it causes misogyny in men here, yet think growing up under sharia law won’t have a worse effect on some of the men being shipped to these hotels

Andrew Tate and extremist content was used as an example to demonstrate how people can be radicalised online.

Small boat crossings have been happening since 2018, yet I've seen no evidence of refugees crazed by Shariah law wreaking havoc in the UK.

I'm wondering what people expect to happen if the ethnicity of perpetrators is released. Are innocent people from certain countries going to be banned? Tagged? Imprisoned? Deported? If so, are we going to introduce discriminatory practices into the legal system where innocent people are presumed to be sex offenders?

GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 10:06

Also find it odd people are using Andrew Tate as an example of far right under this country, and how it causes misogyny in men here, yet think growing up under sharia law won’t have a worse effect on some of the men being shipped to these hotels

GoldThumb · 09/08/2025 10:04

It seems the problem is that statistics on ethnicity of perpetrators are not recorded/published.
We should be recording and analysing all of this information, how else will you know if there’s a problem/over representation with certain countries/cultures if you’re not recording them?

This was a massive issue with the grooming gangs as well, where ethnicity of perpetrators was not being recorded in the first place, and one of the changes to implement as a result of the report I believe

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 09:33

myplace · 09/08/2025 07:45

Animals, what’s your point?

The thread title is:
”To think that white British/ American etc men are just as much a threat to
women as migrants?”

My post was highlighting that yes, white men are also a threat but the focus by many far right groups all over the internet at the moment seems to be that migrants (brown migrants in particular) are the only ones committing heinous crimes.

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 09:28

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 08:01

How does that affect what we’re discussing? The thread isn’t ’AIBU to think far right men are less sexually aggressive’.

It’s not a gotcha. We know there are a lot of far right scumbags around.

It’s like when you discuss sexual violence by transwomen and somebody pipes up going ‘But what about these cis men? Don’t you care about that?’

Yes, we do care, but it’s irrelevant to what’s being discussed.

The thread title is
“To think that white British/ American etc men are just as much a threat to
women as migrants?”

TheNuthatch · 09/08/2025 09:11

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 08:01

How does that affect what we’re discussing? The thread isn’t ’AIBU to think far right men are less sexually aggressive’.

It’s not a gotcha. We know there are a lot of far right scumbags around.

It’s like when you discuss sexual violence by transwomen and somebody pipes up going ‘But what about these cis men? Don’t you care about that?’

Yes, we do care, but it’s irrelevant to what’s being discussed.

Exactly.
Its also not about skin colour as the pp keeps alluding to.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 08:47

User32459 · 09/08/2025 08:10

Austerity was neoliberalism economics rather than a social liberal policy. For 14 years the Tories did both. Child poverty was an unintended consequence of the neoliberalism orthodoxy that we've had 40 years of.

Neoliberalism is a right wing social and economic ideology encompassing deregulation, privatisation, trade, austerity and shrinking the state. It began with Thatcher and is responsible for much of the state of the UK today.

You seem to be claiming that the Tories aren't right wing, despite their fiscal and social policies but liberals. Do you mean that they believe in civil rights and democracy and aren't on the authoritarian spectrum of the right?

User32459 · 09/08/2025 08:10

MiloMinderbinder925 · 08/08/2025 23:35

In your opinion austerity policies which sought to shrink the state under the Tories were liberalism? Do you mean neoliberalism?

Between 2010 and 2019 more than £30 billion in spending reductions were made to welfare payments, housing subsidies, and social services. The left tend to increase state spending.

Pensioners were protected as they are traditional Tory voters, but homelessness and child poverty rose exponentially. In fact, the average height of children decreased and we saw the reintroduction of illnesses such as rickets. The cuts to services were so severe that some refer to it as 'Britain's lost decade' but you see these policies as liberalism.

Austerity was neoliberalism economics rather than a social liberal policy. For 14 years the Tories did both. Child poverty was an unintended consequence of the neoliberalism orthodoxy that we've had 40 years of.

JamesMacGill · 09/08/2025 08:01

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 07:43

This was posted on MN recently- all white and all had links to far right groups:

Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Wayne Kirby – Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007. Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse. Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old. Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers. Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming. John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack. Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming. Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old. Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence. Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old. Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity. Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls. Ian Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old. Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia. Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault. Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old girl. Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old. Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn. Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Paul O’Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault. Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children. Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape. Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls. Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old. James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape. Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl. Andrew Wells, BNP: jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

How does that affect what we’re discussing? The thread isn’t ’AIBU to think far right men are less sexually aggressive’.

It’s not a gotcha. We know there are a lot of far right scumbags around.

It’s like when you discuss sexual violence by transwomen and somebody pipes up going ‘But what about these cis men? Don’t you care about that?’

Yes, we do care, but it’s irrelevant to what’s being discussed.

myplace · 09/08/2025 07:45

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 07:43

This was posted on MN recently- all white and all had links to far right groups:

Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Wayne Kirby – Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007. Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse. Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old. Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers. Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming. John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack. Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming. Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old. Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence. Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old. Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity. Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls. Ian Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old. Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia. Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault. Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old girl. Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old. Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn. Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Paul O’Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault. Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children. Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape. Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls. Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old. James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape. Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl. Andrew Wells, BNP: jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

Animals, what’s your point?

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 07:43

myplace · 09/08/2025 07:34

I don’t care which political party started it.

The political party in power right now needs to address it!

Stop squabbling over who did what and address how we can protect women and girls from even more abusive men!

This was posted on MN recently- all white and all had links to far right groups:

Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Wayne Kirby – Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007. Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse. Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old. Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers. Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming. John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack. Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming. Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old. Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence. Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old. Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity. Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls. Ian Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old. Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia. Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault. Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old girl. Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old. Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn. Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Paul O’Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault. Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children. Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape. Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls. Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old. James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape. Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl. Andrew Wells, BNP: jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 07:40

notnorman · 08/08/2025 23:26

In Denmark in 2022 Immigrants and their descendants made up 14% of the population, yet accounted for 29% of violent crime convictions—a rate 2.5 times higher than native Danes.

White or non-white immigrants?

myplace · 09/08/2025 07:34

I don’t care which political party started it.

The political party in power right now needs to address it!

Stop squabbling over who did what and address how we can protect women and girls from even more abusive men!

BurntBroccoli · 09/08/2025 07:24

Somerford · 08/08/2025 19:09

Of the people who did something worthy of being arrested, 2 in 5 were already known to be scum bags. Not particularly shocking, scum bags will behave like scum bags.

Lots of ordinary people are frequently participating in protests right now though, and this stat won't be used to dismiss their legitimate concerns. According to YouGov, which tends to skew left, 73% of people think immigration has been too high in the past 10 years. The left has well and truly lost this argument.

Official stats on net migration. Peaked in 2021 under the Tories:

To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?
To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?
MiloMinderbinder925 · 09/08/2025 01:16

Somerford · 09/08/2025 00:51

Because I can see exactly what you're doing. You were called out for the exact same thing much earlier in this thread and you reacted I'm much the same way.

Stop derailing the thread.