Page 2 | To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

malificent7 · 2025-08-08T11:47:00+00:00

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests. I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal. Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 13:09

Refuse returns

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 13:03

TopPocketFind · 11/08/2025 11:54

Which government would you put your faith in instead?

Who do you think will be able to deport people to countries without agreement?

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None.
Which is why we need a deterrent rather than trying (and failing) to deport people who have already arrived.

ETA: We should also be putting pressure on countries who refuse refuse by restricting visas and aid.

BurntBroccoli · 11/08/2025 12:44

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:53

It's very complex and not easily solved. There are two issues here. A. The amount of visas we give out annually is not sustainable. B. We need to clear the 40k asylum backlog, process claims quicker, work with other countries to curtail smuggling gangs and find more suitable accommodation for those being processed. France are instrumental in finding a solution.

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It’s in France’s interest to work with us as they have the issues of migrants trying to get here too.

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 12:17

TopPocketFind · 11/08/2025 12:14

Without hotel staff and services, a 4* hotel room is just a room.

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Not really. 4 stars are also given for location, food, quality of rooms/bathrooms. Presumably asylum seekers are getting access to all this even if not the swimming pools?

TopPocketFind · 11/08/2025 12:14

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 12:11

Ok split hairs if you wish, I could give more examples but there would no doubt be more faux disbelief thrown at it so I won’t bother.

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Without hotel staff and services, a 4* hotel room is just a room.

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 12:11

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2025 12:09

The West Drayton place looks like a travel lodge. I imagine it scraped four stars because it’s got a pool which will now be closed.

Ok split hairs if you wish, I could give more examples but there would no doubt be more faux disbelief thrown at it so I won’t bother.

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2025 12:09

The West Drayton place looks like a travel lodge. I imagine it scraped four stars because it’s got a pool which will now be closed.

TopPocketFind · 11/08/2025 12:08

Do posters know how stars are awarded?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:57

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:47

So Labour are lying when they claim that they'll deport them. Thanks for confirming.
This is why many have zero faith in this government to tackle this issue.

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That's not strictly true. A criminal can be deported if they're not in danger in their home country, not all criminals are refugees. The flaw is that they won't necessarily serve their sentence once deported. However, if your aim is to save costs and get people out of the country, it will be effective.

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 11:56

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2025 11:51

Are they? Can you name a couple?

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Yes I can. The Britannia Canary Wharf and Crowne Plaza West Drayton.

TopPocketFind · 11/08/2025 11:54

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:47

So Labour are lying when they claim that they'll deport them. Thanks for confirming.
This is why many have zero faith in this government to tackle this issue.

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Which government would you put your faith in instead?

Who do you think will be able to deport people to countries without agreement?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:53

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:42

As a matter of interest how can we make sure that we drastically cut down the numbers coming here. It’s clear this is not sustainable. Financially, socially or culturally.

so what do people suggest we do?

It's very complex and not easily solved. There are two issues here. A. The amount of visas we give out annually is not sustainable. B. We need to clear the 40k asylum backlog, process claims quicker, work with other countries to curtail smuggling gangs and find more suitable accommodation for those being processed. France are instrumental in finding a solution.

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2025 11:51

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 11:47

Many are 4*

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Are they? Can you name a couple?

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:34

I'm afraid human rights apply across the board. Criminals can be returned to any place if they're not going to be tortured or in danger. That isn't the major flaw with the plan though.

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So Labour are lying when they claim that they'll deport them. Thanks for confirming.
This is why many have zero faith in this government to tackle this issue.

Julen7 · 11/08/2025 11:47

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2025 11:25

Lovely hotel! 🙄

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Many are 4*

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:42

As a matter of interest how can we make sure that we drastically cut down the numbers coming here. It’s clear this is not sustainable. Financially, socially or culturally.

so what do people suggest we do?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:40

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:31

Well that’s where we should be focusing our energy. If everyone had fled England everytime groups of people were in danger, where would our society be now?

People need to sort their own countries out. We cannot support the numbers coming here, if people do come here they need to appreciate that they need to fully integrate and understand exactly what that means

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Danger would mean you're in danger of being killed by the government for joining an opposing political party or showing hair in Iran. Perhaps we shouldn't invade other countries or interfere with their politics and then they wouldn't be in danger.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:35

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:32

So what other “needs” should we meet. I think anything outside of basic needs is a want.

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Don't be silly. You know the difference between basic needs and all your needs.

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:34

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:30

You support Trump sending people to Rwanda:

USA have now signed a deal with Rwanda. A list of 10 migrants has been sent to Rwanda for vetting according to the Rwanda gov

Hardly a presumption.

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Do I? Ok.
You are actually quite funny

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:34

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:29

So will non refoulment stop us returning prisoners also?
That's what Labour have recently announced. How will they return them?

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I'm afraid human rights apply across the board. Criminals can be returned to any place if they're not going to be tortured or in danger. That isn't the major flaw with the plan though.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:32

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:28

There's a difference between getting basic needs catered for and getting all your needs catered for. I'm sure you already know that though.

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So what other “needs” should we meet. I think anything outside of basic needs is a want.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:31

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:26

Unfortunately it's not that simple as they're claiming asylum. We have the principle of non refoulement which means that people can't be sent back to countries where they're in danger. Unless we have an authoritarian government that overrides the courts, we have to act within the law. We also need agreements with countries to send people there.

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Well that’s where we should be focusing our energy. If everyone had fled England everytime groups of people were in danger, where would our society be now?

People need to sort their own countries out. We cannot support the numbers coming here, if people do come here they need to appreciate that they need to fully integrate and understand exactly what that means

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:30

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:20

There you go with your pigeon-holing assumptions again.
Yes of course I'm a big supporter of Trump, that's exactly what I said isn't it 🙄.

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You support Trump sending people to Rwanda:

USA have now signed a deal with Rwanda. A list of 10 migrants has been sent to Rwanda for vetting according to the Rwanda gov

Hardly a presumption.

TheNuthatch · 11/08/2025 11:29

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:26

Unfortunately it's not that simple as they're claiming asylum. We have the principle of non refoulement which means that people can't be sent back to countries where they're in danger. Unless we have an authoritarian government that overrides the courts, we have to act within the law. We also need agreements with countries to send people there.

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So will non refoulment stop us returning prisoners also?
That's what Labour have recently announced. How will they return them?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/08/2025 11:28

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/08/2025 11:25

a humans needs are food, water, shelter and clothing- yes they are getting their needs catered for

We have lots of people who are on the streets.

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There's a difference between getting basic needs catered for and getting all your needs catered for. I'm sure you already know that though.